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Tottenham new ground opening delayed or

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45177215

states now that it wont be ready until 28th October against Manchester City

Games against Liverpool and Cardiff have been moved to Wembley.

Just for clarification, this will be ticked as a new ground won't it?. Old ground demolished,new one built. Not the same ground as Old White Hart Lane, surely not!



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Re: [Towlawtom] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

No pitch overlap, so it's a new ground by my rules Wink


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Re: [Bantam Cymraeg] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

The NFL game has also been moved to Wembley.


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Re: [Tykeoldboy] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

See ‘Premier League 2018/19’ thread, where I did say I couldn’t see any way the stadium would be ready by September 15th - and so it proved.

Tottenham have been sneaky here. Had they declared in June that they wouldn’t be ready until 28th October - i’m Sure the PL would have asked them to play the whole season at Wembley.

This incremental shifting of the date seems to make that OK. I also said in my message, Spurs should face penalties for missing the deadline.


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See ‘Premier League 2018/19’ thread, where I did say I couldn’t see any way the stadium would be ready by September 15th - and so it proved.

Tottenham have been sneaky here. Had they declared in June that they wouldn’t be ready until 28th October - i’m Sure the PL would have asked them to play the whole season at Wembley.

This incremental shifting of the date seems to make that OK. I also said in my message, Spurs should face penalties for missing the deadline.


Really? Why? Am I missing something?

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See ‘Premier League 2018/19’ thread, where I did say I couldn’t see any way the stadium would be ready by September 15th - and so it proved.

Tottenham have been sneaky here. Had they declared in June that they wouldn’t be ready until 28th October - i’m Sure the PL would have asked them to play the whole season at Wembley.

This incremental shifting of the date seems to make that OK. I also said in my message, Spurs should face penalties for missing the deadline.


Really? Why? Am I missing something?

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Premier League rules state that members must play all season at the same ground.

Spurs were given special dispensation for ONE game only. That is now at least three and will probably be more. There’s bending the rules and then there’s smashing them over Scudamore’s head.


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Re: [007Dale] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Thanks for that.

I've now found an article from 2015 stating the Premier League's position on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/...rd-scudamore-wembley

As you say, Spurs must have been well aware of the rules.


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Re: [jon b] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Surely Scudamore has to resign not stand down ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44405190


But the Premier League’s chief executive, Richard Scudamore, has revealed that would be against its regulations. “They’d have to play in the same stadium for the entire year,” he said. “For the integrity of the competition.''


Integrity = ''the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.''



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Re: [dottirofhod] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

To be honest it's a bit of a silly rule. No one will be moaning about the integrity of the competition when AFC Wimbledon move in mid-season to their ground next year, nor were they when AFC Bournemouth played at Dorchester all those years ago. It's about being practical. No one wants to see a club play away from home if it can be avoided, and whats the point of Spurs playing at Wembley for practically a whole year longer than necessary.


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Re: [stugg93] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Agree re rule , its his attitude I'm questioning.


Saying one thing and doing another.




Seems to be getting worse , 3 European games at Wembley and no venue for Oct 28th game v Man City.




PS. This is the Premier League we are talking about , Wimbledon ? Dorchester were D2 at time.




Its in my brain cells ( what's left) didn't Tottenham have problems once before at start of season and could not play at home when scheduled ? Coventry ?



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Re: [dottirofhod] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

It looks like this rule only applies to PL. It might have been put in place to stop PL teams from switching the occasional fixture to the far east but the rule then isn't flexible to allow situations like Tottenhams. It probably could have been handled better by both the PL and by Tottenham.

If the same rule applies in the FL then it must be a recent rule change because in 2006/07 Doncaster Rovers played up to Christmas at Belle Vue before moving to the Keepmoat.


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Its in my brain cells ( what's left) didn't Tottenham have problems once before at start of season and could not play at home when scheduled ? Coventry ?


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Re: [Whiskey Coates] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile



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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile


I think a 3 point deduction per game moved would please the Arsenal fans more


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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile

I

Tottenham are really in the S**t over this. They are considering playing the Man City game at Twickenham if not ready. They cant switch because it will give them an unfair advantage playing 4 of their last 5 games at home. So 3 venues in 1 season seems likely.



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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile


I think a 3 point deduction per game moved would please the Arsenal fans more


It would also speed up completion of the stadium.


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RFU have said no to Spurs using Twickenham, according to the Independent



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To be honest it's a bit of a silly rule. No one will be moaning about the integrity of the competition when AFC Wimbledon move in mid-season to their ground next year, nor were they when AFC Bournemouth played at Dorchester all those years ago.


AFC Wimbledon are not in the Premier League and AFC Bournemouth were not when they played in Dorchester.

I agree that moving mid season does not really affect the integrity of a league, but that is what the PL rules state and Scudamore was clear it would not be allowed.

More of an issue, in my view, is that AFC Bournemouth are now starting their fourth season in the PL at a ground with a capacity of less than 11500 but that is seemingly not against the rules.


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To be honest it's a bit of a silly rule. No one will be moaning about the integrity of the competition when AFC Wimbledon move in mid-season to their ground next year, nor were they when AFC Bournemouth played at Dorchester all those years ago.


AFC Wimbledon are not in the Premier League and AFC Bournemouth were not when they played in Dorchester.

I agree that moving mid season does not really affect the integrity of a league, but that is what the PL rules state and Scudamore was clear it would not be allowed.

More of an issue, in my view, is that AFC Bournemouth are now starting their fourth season in the PL at a ground with a capacity of less than 11500 but that is seemingly not against the rules.


But Bournemouth are now looking at a move to a larger stadium or expanding their current one. To be fair to Bournemouth they have waiting until they established themselves in the PL before looking at the possibility of something bigger.


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Re: [Tykeoldboy] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

The whole thing is a complete cock up. As a Spurs supporter I'm really not surprised though. After all, we are the masters of cocking things up right at the end of proceedings.
Personally, I think the rule regarding only using one stadium in any given season is unnecessary, especially when a club is building a new stadium. Having said that, rules are rules and I expect there will be some sort of sanction against the club.



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There must be a date for when the keys are handed over to Tottenham and the people involved in the construction of the stadium have failed to complete on time so there will surely be financial penalties handed to them from the club. Safety is paramount so is this all really the fault of Tottenham?


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It looked nowhere near ready when I passed the stadium on way to the CONIFA World Cup final in June, so not surprised by this delay. As for the Man City game, they could always follow Spain's lead and try to play the game in the USA, or the far east should the new stadium not be ready in timeBlush.


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There must be a date for when the keys are handed over to Tottenham and the people involved in the construction of the stadium have failed to complete on time so there will surely be financial penalties handed to them from the club. Safety is paramount so is this all really the fault of Tottenham?

Obviously we don't know what's been said and done behind the scenes but regardless of where the blame lies I can understand why some people are insisting on the current rules being applied, regardless of whether those rules make sense or not.



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First Champions League home game to be played at Wembley

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45248629



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Tottenham are now requesting special dispensation to switch a possible League Cup 3rd round game should they be drawn at home, Wembley isn't available during the week of the 3rd round ties which leaves reversing the fixture or finding another neutral ground.


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Re: [Tykeoldboy] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

The whole Tottenham saga could even put Crossrail back with an exodus of electricians walking away because of higher rates offered to get the stadium completed, a move which has backfired.


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The whole Tottenham saga could even put Crossrail back with an exodus of electricians walking away because of higher rates offered to get the stadium completed, a move which has backfired.


It's a golden period to be an electrician in London.


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Tottenham are now requesting special dispensation to switch a possible League Cup 3rd round game should they be drawn at home, Wembley isn't available during the week of the 3rd round ties which leaves reversing the fixture or finding another neutral ground.


They allowed Newport to do it, so I can't see why they can't allow Spurs to.


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Tottenham are now requesting special dispensation to switch a possible League Cup 3rd round game should they be drawn at home, Wembley isn't available during the week of the 3rd round ties which leaves reversing the fixture or finding another neutral ground.


They allowed Newport to do it, so I can't see why they can't allow Spurs to.


The absolutely will be allowed to switch it - however, if they are drawn at home, they will have to compensate their opponents for lost revenue;
Tottenham v Macclesfield is worth a lot more to Macclesfield than a home fixture.


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Indeed, Cheltenham received compensation from West Ham last season as their stadium was not available for the second round tie.
There would have been no payment if we had a home draw



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Re: [Towlawtom] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

I see both Brentford and AFC Wimbledon are hoping to move into their new stadiums midway through the 2019/20 season. Presumably playing the 1st half of next season in their current grounds and then switching for the second half.
Are there any rules covering this in the EFL?
If Brentford are promoted at the end of this season then they’ll be in exactly the same position as Tottenham are this season i.e. starting in one stadium and then switching to another.


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I see both Brentford and AFC Wimbledon are hoping to move into their new stadiums midway through the 2019/20 season. Presumably playing the 1st half of next season in their current grounds and then switching for the second half.
Are there any rules covering this in the EFL?
If Brentford are promoted at the end of this season then they’ll be in exactly the same position as Tottenham are this season i.e. starting in one stadium and then switching to another.


EFL and Premiership have different rules - you are allowed to switch in the EFL.

Presumably if promoted, Brentford will have to play the entire season at Griffin Park. Unless they claim the new stadium will be ready for the start of the season and move back the opening date in small increments!

However, one complication - Brentford’s current home doesn’t meet Premiership standards - they claim it will cost £3m to address that.


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Re: [007Dale] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Maybe they can move in with Fulham/QPR until their new ground is ready.


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https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/Carabao3

The above survey can be used by you to make the case for Twickenham being used to stage the League Cup game, should Spurs be drawn at home (Wembley will be unavailable)


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And of course the RFU will take notice of such a survey.


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And of course the RFU will take notice of such a survey.


They should speak with the LLDC and get London Stadium - the owners are likely to say yes, just to wind-up WHU.


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And of course the RFU will take notice of such a survey.


They should speak with the LLDC and get London Stadium - the owners are likely to say yes, just to wind-up WHU.

Wembley, Twickenham, London Stadium! Why the need for such a large ground to host a LC 3 game? Just take it to MK.


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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

MK is unpopular with everyone (not just AFC Wimbledon fans) and Tottenham fans would not want to go there, even if for just one game. Twickenham's large capacity would not matter - they could open only the lower tier if necessary.


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Re: [greenwood] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

I'm pretty sure MK has been mentioned before elsewhere as a possible venue but they could always try Brighton (againSly)


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And of course the RFU will take notice of such a survey.


They should speak with the LLDC and get London Stadium - the owners are likely to say yes, just to wind-up WHU.

Wembley, Twickenham, London Stadium! Why the need for such a large ground to host a LC 3 game? Just take it to MK.


Don’t Spurs already play games at Stevenage, so why not there as they will play their second XI in the LC rd3


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And of course the RFU will take notice of such a survey.


They should speak with the LLDC and get London Stadium - the owners are likely to say yes, just to wind-up WHU.

Wembley, Twickenham, London Stadium! Why the need for such a large ground to host a LC 3 game? Just take it to MK.


Don’t Spurs already play games at Stevenage, so why not there as they will play their second XI in the LC rd3
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Going from one extreme to the other though because with a capacity of just 6,722 there would be complaints from many unable to get in.



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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

The capacity may be even lower than that at present as Stevenage are building a new stand behind one goal.

Although Spurs may field a reserve team, it will still officially be a first team game.

Can I please appeal to everyone to enter the survey (if you have not yet done so) and use it to ask for the game to be played at Twickenham.


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Can I please appeal to everyone to enter the survey (if you have not yet done so) and use it to ask for the game to be played at Twickenham.


Why should anyone want it to be played at Twickenham? Surely the original idea of switching a possible home draw to their opponents' ground is the most logical approach.


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Can I please appeal to everyone to enter the survey (if you have not yet done so) and use it to ask for the game to be played at Twickenham.


Why should anyone want it to be played at Twickenham? Surely the original idea of switching a possible home draw to their opponents' ground is the most logical approach.

Ticking the venue may be the answer to wanting game played at Twickers.Sly


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Let's vote for Twickers then, on condition that the match programme is digital only! Wink


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Re: [paulh66] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicerage Road would be an option.


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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicarage Road would be an option.



It would only be marginally more acceptable to Spurs fans than MK. Playing at Twickenham would be attractive to Spurs fans because it isn't associated with any rival Premier League club. I'm sure quite a few Spurs fans will have put Twickenham on their survey responses, as well as groundhoppers.


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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicarage Road would be an option.



It would only be marginally more acceptable to Spurs fans than MK. Playing at Twickenham would be attractive to Spurs fans because it isn't associated with any rival Premier League club. I'm sure quite a few Spurs fans will have put Twickenham on their survey responses, as well as groundhoppers.


If Spurs fans are really that against sharing another PL ground then there is always Brentford. This is a LC tie and isn't going to attracted 70,000 fans to fill Twickenham.

There is the option to ensure Tottenham get an away draw, thus making this issue go away. A numbered ball in the microwave for 30 seconds would ensure Tottenham are drawn away.


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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicarage Road would be an option.



It would only be marginally more acceptable to Spurs fans than MK. Playing at Twickenham would be attractive to Spurs fans because it isn't associated with any rival Premier League club. I'm sure quite a few Spurs fans will have put Twickenham on their survey responses, as well as groundhoppers.


If Spurs fans are really that against sharing another PL ground then there is always Brentford. This is a LC tie and isn't going to attracted 70,000 fans to fill Twickenham.

There is the option to ensure Tottenham get an away draw, thus making this issue go away. A numbered ball in the microwave for 30 seconds would ensure Tottenham are drawn away.


I really don’t understand the desire some people have for Spurs to play at Twickenham

Even if 100% of people voted for it - I can’t imagine the owners are going to break the habit of a lifetime and let a football club use it.

Especially when there are probably a dozen alternatives within a thirty-mile radius.

The simplest solution is to reverse the fixture - but having blown the best part of £1billion on the new stadium, Levy begrudges handing over a few hundred thousand as compensation.


(This post was edited by 007Dale on Aug 28, 2018, 5:43 PM)


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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicarage Road would be an option.



It would only be marginally more acceptable to Spurs fans than MK. Playing at Twickenham would be attractive to Spurs fans because it isn't associated with any rival Premier League club. I'm sure quite a few Spurs fans will have put Twickenham on their survey responses, as well as groundhoppers.


If Spurs fans are really that against sharing another PL ground then there is always Brentford. This is a LC tie and isn't going to attracted 70,000 fans to fill Twickenham.

There is the option to ensure Tottenham get an away draw, thus making this issue go away. A numbered ball in the microwave for 30 seconds would ensure Tottenham are drawn away.


I really don’t understand the desire some people have for Spurs to play at Twickenham

Even if 100% of people voted for it - I can’t imagine the owners are going to break the habit of a lifetime and let a football club use it.

Especially when there are probably a dozen alternatives within a thirty-mile radius.

The simplest solution is to reverse the fixture - but having blown the best part of £1billion on the new stadium, Levy begrudges handing over a few hundred thousand as compensation.


League have already said they wont reverse fixture. It will give Tottenham an unfair advantage of playing 4 of their last 5 games at home.



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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicarage Road would be an option.



It would only be marginally more acceptable to Spurs fans than MK. Playing at Twickenham would be attractive to Spurs fans because it isn't associated with any rival Premier League club. I'm sure quite a few Spurs fans will have put Twickenham on their survey responses, as well as groundhoppers.


If Spurs fans are really that against sharing another PL ground then there is always Brentford. This is a LC tie and isn't going to attracted 70,000 fans to fill Twickenham.

There is the option to ensure Tottenham get an away draw, thus making this issue go away. A numbered ball in the microwave for 30 seconds would ensure Tottenham are drawn away.


I really don’t understand the desire some people have for Spurs to play at Twickenham

Even if 100% of people voted for it - I can’t imagine the owners are going to break the habit of a lifetime and let a football club use it.

Especially when there are probably a dozen alternatives within a thirty-mile radius.

The simplest solution is to reverse the fixture - but having blown the best part of £1billion on the new stadium, Levy begrudges handing over a few hundred thousand as compensation.


League have already said they wont reverse fixture. It will give Tottenham an unfair advantage of playing 4 of their last 5 games at home.


This is in relation to a potential league cup tie - which the FL will agree to switch if requested.


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If Watford don't get a home Draw in R3, assuming they beat Reading in R2, then Vicarage Road would be an option.



It would only be marginally more acceptable to Spurs fans than MK. Playing at Twickenham would be attractive to Spurs fans because it isn't associated with any rival Premier League club. I'm sure quite a few Spurs fans will have put Twickenham on their survey responses, as well as groundhoppers.


If Spurs fans are really that against sharing another PL ground then there is always Brentford. This is a LC tie and isn't going to attracted 70,000 fans to fill Twickenham.

There is the option to ensure Tottenham get an away draw, thus making this issue go away. A numbered ball in the microwave for 30 seconds would ensure Tottenham are drawn away.


I really don’t understand the desire some people have for Spurs to play at Twickenham

Even if 100% of people voted for it - I can’t imagine the owners are going to break the habit of a lifetime and let a football club use it.

Especially when there are probably a dozen alternatives within a thirty-mile radius.

The simplest solution is to reverse the fixture - but having blown the best part of £1billion on the new stadium, Levy begrudges handing over a few hundred thousand as compensation.


League have already said they wont reverse fixture. It will give Tottenham an unfair advantage of playing 4 of their last 5 games at home.


This is in relation to a potential league cup tie - which the FL will agree to switch if requested.


OK fair enough. Thought you were discussing the league fixture. Would they be allowed to switch the league cup tie away from home if the case?



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They would be allowed to switch, but have to compensate their opponents (as gate receipts are split 50-50).


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Can I please appeal to everyone to enter the survey (if you have not yet done so) and use it to ask for the game to be played at Twickenham.


If all your entities vote then it might swing it Smile


(This post was edited by buncranaboy on Aug 28, 2018, 8:15 PM)


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I see both Brentford and AFC Wimbledon are hoping to move into their new stadiums midway through the 2019/20 season. Presumably playing the 1st half of next season in their current grounds and then switching for the second half.
Are there any rules covering this in the EFL?
If Brentford are promoted at the end of this season then they’ll be in exactly the same position as Tottenham are this season i.e. starting in one stadium and then switching to another.


EFL and Premiership have different rules - you are allowed to switch in the EFL.

Presumably if promoted, Brentford will have to play the entire season at Griffin Park. Unless they claim the new stadium will be ready for the start of the season and move back the opening date in small increments!

However, one complication - Brentford’s current home doesn’t meet Premiership standards - they claim it will cost £3m to address that.

Brentford are now staying at Griffin Park for the whole of 19-20 season:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45333562


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Re: [Wheelbarrow] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Bit surprising given that Brentford are making good progress with their new stadium. I passed through Kew Bridge station by train the other day and from the train (the new stadium is adjacent) you can clearly see the framework of one stand. Other stadiums of similar size have been completed in 12 months from that stage. Perhaps the problems are to do with the fact that numerous other buildings are being built around the stadium, as the picture on the BBC site suggests.


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Bit surprising given that Brentford are making good progress with their new stadium. I passed through Kew Bridge station by train the other day and from the train (the new stadium is adjacent) you can clearly see the framework of one stand. Other stadiums of similar size have been completed in 12 months from that stage. Perhaps the problems are to do with the fact that numerous other buildings are being built around the stadium, as the picture on the BBC site suggests.


Does this mean the all seating stadium for championship games is no longer relevant or has the grace been extended to 5 years instead of three.


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Re: [northstandexile] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Well, added to the Tottenham case, it seems that if you are London-based normal rules regarding grounds do not apply.


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Re: [mick] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Tottenham are at home to Watford and will play the game at Stadium MK

Which of course makes logical sense, given both teams are inside the M25!


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And of course the RFU will take notice of such a survey.


They should speak with the LLDC and get London Stadium - the owners are likely to say yes, just to wind-up WHU.

Wembley, Twickenham, London Stadium! Why the need for such a large ground to host a LC 3 game? Just take it to MK.

Wink


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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Is there no suitable stadiums available in Thailand to keep the sponsors happy?


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Re: [Tykeoldboy] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Not sure about Thailand or Twickenham but MK Dons fans are being given the chance to purchase tickets for the game as Tottenham are struggling to get rid.Sly


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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Let's hope that as many people as possible (including Watford fans) boycott the game so that the EFL gets the message regarding what football fans think of franchising.


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Re: [greenwood] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Low ticket sales are probably more to do with a general lack of interest in the fixture than where it is being played.


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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

So a crowd of 23,650 were present last night at Stadium MK.Watford were given 4,500 and just over 1,000 MKD fans bought tickets and sat with Tottenham fans.


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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Spurs home matches to be played at Wembley at least until end of December

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45998196

Why not just say until end of season and be done with it?



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Re: [Ropemaker] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

And an article in today's Evening Standard newspaper says that the Jackonsville Jaguars are now only interested in playing their NFL games at Wembley, despite having already paid Spurs £10 million to configure the new stadium for NFL games.


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Re: [greenwood] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Latest update just been issued by Spurs: https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/...pdate-december-2018/.

Still no confirmed opening date, next update will be some time after Jan 7. Meantime the home game v Man U on Jan 13 will be at Wembley. The next home game after that is Jan 30 v Watford, venue tba.


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Still no confirmed opening date, next update will be some time after Jan 7. Meantime the home game v Man U on Jan 13 will be at Wembley. The next home game after that is Jan 30 v Watford, venue tba.

Potentially an FA Cup replay between the Man U and Watford games as well.

But I'm sure you knew that Paul Wink



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I'm saying nothing that might tempt fate at Southport!


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Re: [paulh66] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

The FA Premier League have to say enough of the delays and make Tottenham play out the rest of this season at Wembley


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Re: [Tykeoldboy] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

Why?


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Why?


According to the FA Premier League Handbook 2018/19, regulation K-5 states "Each Club shall register its Stadium with the Board and must play all matches in the competitions listed" The list states all competition that Tottenham play/played in during 2018/19


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Why?


According to the FA Premier League Handbook 2018/19, regulation K-5 states "Each Club shall register its Stadium with the Board and must play all matches in the competitions listed" The list states all competition that Tottenham play/played in during 2018/19


You amazingly have missed out the next sentence!

"No Club shall remove to another Stadium (either on a permanent or temporary basis) without first obtaining the written consent of the Board"


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Re: [scottywalds] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

News reports that Tottenham Hotspur have complained to Haringey Council about the state of the streets around their new ground. However, despite being the 11th richest club in the world and being located in one of the poorest neighbourhoods in the country, Spurs apparently have no intention of contributing to any clear-up...

https://www.theguardian.com/...aim-super-rich-spurs

Tottemham recorded a recent annual turnover of £306million, with profits of £58million.

Haringey Council, meanwhile, have suffered from £280million of cuts to services over the past ten years.


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News reports that Tottenham Hotspur have complained to Haringey Council about the state of the streets around their new ground. However, despite being the 11th richest club in the world and being located in one of the poorest neighbourhoods in the country, Spurs apparently have no intention of contributing to any clear-up...


Presumably they feel the council rates they pay contribute to the cleaning.

I used to live on White Hart Lane, and that area certainly used to be a disgusting mess, and I think the original 'Live of Grime' TV show was set around that area. The council tax also used to be one of the highest in the country too, so I'm convinced it's entirely down to the levels of council funding.

To be fair though, I thought the area had dramatically improved the last time I went (last year), and that was possibly partly down to the redevelopment of Spurs' ground.


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Re: [kirby knitters] Tottenham new ground opening delayed or Reply Privately

At least March until they move in so why not just make a statement saying they are staying at Wembley for the rest of the season rather than dash the hopes of fans yet again.


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From Spurs, Wednesday:

We have now received a post-Christmas/New Year update from the contractors involved in the critical safety systems at our new stadium.

The past month has seen remedial works take place, software issues resolved and corrected safety equipment installations increase. Testing has also continued.

We are now liaising with the contractors and building control at Haringey Council to determine a schedule of commissioning, building test dates and building control sign-offs, along with formal test event dates.

Given the time required to deliver these and the test events, we can confirm that our Premier League matches against Watford (30 January), Newcastle United (2 February) and Leicester City (10 February) will take place at Wembley Stadium.

The 51,000 capacity cap will apply for these fixtures.


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Their next home league game after the Leicester one is the North London derby...


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The Arsenal game will now be played at Wembley. Further details here -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47158549

I really think that they should give up on moving this season, and make a fresh start in August.


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Agreed. I think Levy over reached himself. He should have aimed for next season rather than have all this faffing about.



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Apparently there will now not be a VIP cheese room at the new ground



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Apparently there will now not be a VIP cheese room at the new ground


Gutted! Will there still be prawn sandwiches?



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Agreed. I think Levy over reached himself. He should have aimed for next season rather than have all this faffing about.


Part of Levy's desire to get into the new WHL ASAP must be to do with matchday revenue. Crowds at Wembely seem to be on the decline. Whilst it's only a minute sample, I know a few Spurs fans and even though they are STH's they have stopped going to "home" games whilst they play at Wembley.


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Agreed. I think Levy over reached himself. He should have aimed for next season rather than have all this faffing about.


Part of Levy's desire to get into the new WHL ASAP must be to do with matchday revenue. Crowds at Wembely seem to be on the decline. Whilst it's only a minute sample, I know a few Spurs fans and even though they are STH's they have stopped going to "home" games whilst they play at Wembley.


Didn't Brent Council recently reduce the capacity allowed at Wembley for Tottenham's league games to around 53k?


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Tottenham made a good offer to season ticket holders where they were refunded for each Wembley match, but then allowed to pay for the tickets on a game by game basis.
As a result of this, I expect they have far more ticket holders than you would generally see missing games
Still, they gain with the goodwill by treating loyal fans fairly
It does mean they still have a lot to gain by moving to the new WHL ASAP



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It looks like Tottenham will play their first game at New White Hart lane on either April 3 against Crystal Palace or April 7 against Brighton, this depends on whether Brighton reach the FA Cup SF which are played that weekend. There will be 2 test events before any Tottenham games, an U18 game and a legends kickabout.


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It looks like Tottenham will play their first game at New White Hart lane on either April 3 against Crystal Palace or April 7 against Brighton, this depends on whether Brighton reach the FA Cup SF which are played that weekend. There will be 2 test events before any Tottenham games, an U18 game and a legends kickabout.


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I take it these U18s and Legends fixtures are open to the public? Great opportunity for many on here to tick the place.Sly


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Details here -

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/...opening-game-update/


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It looks like Tottenham will play their first game at New White Hart lane on either April 3 against Crystal Palace or April 7 against Brighton, this depends on whether Brighton reach the FA Cup SF which are played that weekend. There will be 2 test events before any Tottenham games, an U18 game and a legends kickabout.


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I take it these U18s and Legends fixtures are open to the public? Great opportunity for many on here to tick the place.Sly


As they are test events, it would be silly not to have anybody turn up... they are being restricted to 30k and 45k capacity.


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It looks like Tottenham will play their first game at New White Hart lane on either April 3 against Crystal Palace or April 7 against Brighton, this depends on whether Brighton reach the FA Cup SF which are played that weekend. There will be 2 test events before any Tottenham games, an U18 game and a legends kickabout.




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I take it these U18s and Legends fixtures are open to the public? Great opportunity for many on here to tick the place.Sly


Priority for both events will be given to Season Ticket Holders and Executive members, followed by One Hotspur + and then One Hotspur members. In the unlikely event that any tickets remain after these groups have been allocated, a General Sale of tickets will take place.


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It looks like Tottenham will play their first game at New White Hart lane on either April 3 against Crystal Palace or April 7 against Brighton, this depends on whether Brighton reach the FA Cup SF which are played that weekend. There will be 2 test events before any Tottenham games, an U18 game and a legends kickabout.[/


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I take it these U18s and Legends fixtures are open to the public? Great opportunity for many on here to tick the place.Sly


Priority for both events will be given to Season Ticket Holders and Executive members, followed by One Hotspur + and then One Hotspur members. In the unlikely event that any tickets remain after these groups have been allocated, a General Sale of tickets will take place.


As you rightly say “In the unlikely event that any tickets remain....”

I think I will have to wait until the League Cup next season and hope Spurs get a home tie.....


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First game now confirmed against Palace on Wednesday 3rd April.


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First game now confirmed against Palace on Wednesday 3rd April.


That is providing the test events pass without a hitch.


(This post was edited by Tykeoldboy on Mar 18, 2019, 12:05 AM)


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First game now confirmed against Palace on Wednesday 3rd April.


That is providing the test events pass without a hitch.


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Can you imagine the howls of derision if that all went wrong?Sly


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I think I will have to wait until the League Cup next season and hope Spurs get a home tie.....


Europa League may be a better bet!

Had a look to see what the ticket agencies were charging for some of this season's remaining matches. Cheapest was £190 for the Everton game....plus a £57 handling charge. Crazy


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I think I will have to wait until the League Cup next season and hope Spurs get a home tie.....


Europa League may be a better bet!

Had a look to see what the ticket agencies were charging for some of this season's remaining matches. Cheapest was £190 for the Everton game....plus a £57 handling charge. Crazy




Bloody hell , that's 4 / 5 flights to foreign climes.



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And now White Hart Lane Railway Station is to be renamed Tottenham Hotspur.



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And now White Hart Lane Railway Station is to be renamed Tottenham Hotspur.


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And if it happens then THFC are paying TfL (I think)
£14m for the privilege.


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And if it happens then THFC are paying TfL (I think)
£14m for the privilege.


That seems less than clear now. This article includes the quote:
"There are reports that TfL had been trying to make Tottenham pay at least £14.7 million for the renaming, but somehow the club looks to have managed to wrangle it for free — instead settling for a rather vague "unique brand partnership between TfL and Tottenham Hotspur"."

It also mentions that TfL official position is that it is still subject to a consultation.

https://londonist.com/...ed-tottenham-hotspur


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https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/fixtures-results
I notice a differnece of 52168 (81332 - 29164) between Spurs' highest and home lowest league attendance this season - albeit an unusual season. Any of the stattos out there know if this has ever been beaten? Possibly by a big Spanish or Russian club? In % terms (smallest 36% of biggest) I'd imagine a few teams hosting Aldershot or Wimbledon when they were "starting again" could probably beat that quite easily.


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Don't have the exact stats to hand but when we visited about four years ago Dinamo Zagreb would pull in around 30,000 for a game with Hajduk but some of their other league games would be down to little more than 1,000.


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Hamilton 1174 -> 5827 in successive games a few weeks ago... Rangers in S Div 3 would probably produce some extremes.
Back on subject, big waiting list for tickets at the new ground I believe?
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I notice a differnece of 52168 (81332 - 29164) between Spurs' highest and home lowest league attendance this season - albeit an unusual season. Any of the stattos out there know if this has ever been beaten? Possibly by a big Spanish or Russian club? In % terms (smallest 36% of biggest) I'd imagine a few teams hosting Aldershot or Wimbledon when they were "starting again" could probably beat that quite easily.


For clarification, I am taking this from Wiki and not checking back to source

Tractor Sazi and Persepolis are the two teams who have recorded 80,000 crowds in the Persian Gulf Pre League (Iran) this season. Tractor Sazi's ground was closed to spectators for the first game of the season, so crowd of zero. The lowest when spectators were pemitted in was 29,700 (difference of 50,300).

For Persepolis, the lowest attendance of the season was 15,000 (difference of 65,000) while Esteghlal record a highest of 78,000 and a lowest of 12,000 (difference of 66,000)

Still according to Wiki, the largest stadium capacity used in the league is the Azadi at 78,116 - while Sahand Stadium (Tractor) supposedly only hold 66,833 (leaving questions over the highest crowds).

The league certainly has one of the biggest crowd ranges, with some league crowds as low as 100.



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I notice a differnece of 52168 (81332 - 29164) between Spurs' highest and home lowest league attendance this season - albeit an unusual season. Any of the stattos out there know if this has ever been beaten? Possibly by a big Spanish or Russian club? In % terms (smallest 36% of biggest) I'd imagine a few teams hosting Aldershot or Wimbledon when they were "starting again" could probably beat that quite easily.


What about Queens Park, when they hosted Rangers? From 30,117 to 842 within 4 days!


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Back on subject, big waiting list for tickets at the new ground I believe?


There's a big waiting list for season tickets but anyone can buy a membership (two categories of which are available) which gives next priority for individual match tickets on a first come first served basis. General sale, of course, is also on a first come first served basis.