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Saturday 14th September

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Sep 14, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

Season ticket duty at Portman Rd. KO 3.00pm.

Sky Bet League 1.




Away ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Admission by season ticket. Programme £3.50. Attendance 18,928. Away Fans 621.

GAMES THIS SEASON 2019/20. (23)
GAMES SINCE LAST 0-0. Ipswich Town v Wycombe Wanderers. 26/11/19. (2) BEST RUN OF NOT SEEING A 0-0. (61)
LEAGUES COMPLETED. Championship. League 1. Isthmian League North. ECL Premier Division. ECL Division 1 North. SCEFL Premier Division.
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Sep 14, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Wombleton Wanderers 2 Pollington 0
York & District League Div 2

Every so often I get a bee in my bonnet about a particular ground, for no real reason, and today was such.
Just a village playing field in an affluent village just south of Kirbymoorside, there was a tiny bit of cover in what might be called a pergola.
A ground for a nice day though, so today very much fitted that bill.
The purists might be offended with the match kicking off five minutes early, and the home side had scored within 30 seconds. Their second came about ten minutes from the end.
Halfway through the first half a Pollington player was sent off for what seemed to be a head butt, and he received a second red for comments to the otherwise centre circle based referee.
The right result just about, but the difference in numbers probably counted against the visitors.

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Sep 14, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Coggeshall Town 3 Canvey Island 1
Isthmian League Division 1 North
Admission £10 Programme £1.50

In season 2015-16 Coggeshall were playing Essex & Suffolk Border League football, so it has been a rapid rise up the pyramid to today’s step 4 game. Canvey scored within the first 30 seconds of the game, and although Coggeshall threatened, it was close to half time before they equalised. Second half was as entertaining as the first, with Coggeshall always looking likely to score, eventually taking the lead 15 minutes from time. With 5 minutes left on the clock, Canvey had a golden chance to equalise from the penalty spot, but the keeper made an outstanding save. With the visitors pouring forward in search of an equaliser, a quick Coggeshall break brought a third goal for the home side with virtually the last kick of the game. Entrance to the ground is in a corner, with a seated stand down the side towards the wooden shack housing changing rooms. A covered corrugated metal roofed stand behind the far goal provides covered standing accommodation. Their is only spectator access down a third of the far side, as the dug outs are sandwiched between the pitch and perimeter fencing around the half way line, and the end nearest the club house is out of bounds. The main stand, built in 1964, has 3 rows of seats, and stretches for the majority of the near side, so it must have been an impressive ground for Essex Border League standard.

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Sep 14, 2019, 6:25 PM

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National League

Eastleigh 1 Bromley 1

admission S/T, otherwise £15, programme £2-00, attendance 1752 (92 away)
13rd v undefeated 3rd
Good game at the Silverlake - Bromley are a very good side this season, but the home team turned up for both halves this time, and a draw was a fair result.
The visitors started well, passing the ball round nicely. After one such foray, Bingham blasted the ball over. They also used the long ball well at times and Coulson, looking offside, ran onto one of those but Stryjek came out well and saved with his legs. A corner was then headed over by Hackett-Fairchild, and a free-kick was headed into Stryjek's arms by Okoye. Okoye and Bush were very impressive in central defence. On the half hour a foul by Partington on Coulson caused some handbags and bad language around the Bromley bench. The home team's Atkinson made some good runs forward out of defence, and he then had a shot deflected over. Willamson then chased a lost cause, somehow got the ball away from Bromley keeper and defender, but the ball went just past the post. The visitors produced another good move but Bingham's shot was blocked, then a good move by the home side saw McKnight fire over. HT 0-0.
Again chances at both ends after the break - a corner fell to Eastleigh's Hollands, who is dangerous in this position; he was allowed to turn but his shot was well tipped over by Cousins. The corner was cleared and a long ball nearly caught out the home keeper and defender, who lost position and communication, but Stryjek managed to clear. On 62 mins a great cross by sub Henry on the left found its way to Coulson on the far post but he shot weakly into the side netting. 30 secs later he was found with a through ball, looking half a yard offside, but he produced a superb chip over the onrushing Stryjek to put his side one up, against his former club. The home team tried to come back but were frustrated by the visitors falling down after every opportunity - not the first team to do this at the Silverlake this season (see Sutton, Barnet)... Okoye got a quick yellow for timewasting, so the ref was on the case. The home team pressed; Hollands had a shot blocked and sub Barnes had a long shot over the bar. But on 84 mins good work by Partington down the right saw a cross that was met by sub Miley, who hit the angle, the ball was deflected back to Miley, and he rocketed a shot into the top corner for a deserved equaliser. Suddenly the visitors stopped falling over and went for the win, a good effort by Hackett-Fairchild forced a good save by Stryjek. In injury time sub Rendell headed over for the home team, and Hackett-Fairchild came close again, but 1-1 it stayed, and both teams will probably be satisfied with that.

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Sep 14, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Rangers 3 Livingston 1
Adm £28.
Prog £3.50
Carling £4 (Louden Tavern)

A very uninspiring display from Gers and a couple of minutes after the break Livi took the lead and it looked like title race over in September but they got their act together for a just about deserved win.

Pre booked trains for £51 got me from Leicester to Glasgow and a few beers in the Counting House before heading to Ibrox and the above named Louden which is a fantastic pub if you are that way inclined. No songs in the place or stadium that would offend the easily offended which seems so easy with certain folk these days. An excellent day out in an excellent city.

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Sep 14, 2019, 6:43 PM

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East Sussex Prem
Wadhurst United 2-2 Sedlescombe Rangers
Around 40-50 in attendance
No admission charge or paper

Glorious sunny afternoon in a charming little market town in the countryside near the Sussex/Kent border, a few miles south of Tunbridge Wells. Just off the High Street, with its couple of pubs and collection of independent shops, lies this lovely little ground which has previously dabbled with Sussex County League football, including a brief spell in the top division in the late 1960s.

Showpiece is the old brick-built, gable-roofed enclosure with a couple of steps of sturdy concrete terracing under cover and the changing rooms and refreshment area built inside. The snack bar offers bacon rolls, burgers, hot and cold drinks including cans of booze. Some great old team photos going back to the 19th century adorn its walls, as do more recent snaps of Nottingham Forest doing some pre-season training here in 1996.

This building sits on the halfway line, facing a pitch with a massive downhill slope from the town end to your left down to the cricket square to your right, beyond which are fine views of the sprawling countryside beyond. Other than a rope running half the near side and a pair of roofless timber dugouts on the far side, there's no other furniture. But it's tightly enclosed on three sides, making it feel almost like a proper ground. Photogenic too, with an interesting collection of buildings at the town end including a converted oast house right next to the corner flag and the spire and clock tower of the nearby 12th century St Peter & St Paul Church rising above all else.

This was Wadhurst's second game back in the top flight after promotion last season and they didn't look out of place. Twice they took the lead - the second direct from a corner just after the break - but twice they were pegged back for an honourable draw. Decent game of a reasonable quality and played in the right spirit.

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FAW Trophy Round 2
Gorseinon Athletic 3 Port Talbot Town 4
Free admission, Programme (12 pages) £1, Attendance h/c 97

Best afternoon of the season so far, and I doubt I'll have many better before May! This was a cracking game won with a superb goal by the visitors just as we entered stoppage time, after the home side had led 2-1 at the break and 3-2 as we headed into the final quarter. When PTT had taken the lead on eight minutes we did wonder if it was going to be one-way traffic, but if anything Gorseinon were the better side in the first 45, and fully deserved to go in ahead.

Though the gap, notionally, between the two sides is now only two divisions, in reality Port Talbot, members of the Welsh Premier until a couple of years back, and arguably the biggest club in the competition this season, were the giants that nearly got slain by the home side who ply their trade in the Carmarthenshire League's top division, a league which rarely promotes into the Welsh League. But several of Athletic's players, perhaps #7 and 9 especially, caused the visitors problems all afternoon.

Parc y Werin is a public park just off the main road through Gorseinon, on the western outskirts of Swansea. Though almost half of the park is slowly making way for the building of a new primary school, despite much local opposition, there is just about enough green left for a tree-lined football pitch - a very pleasant setting in the September sunshine. There is no cover, rail surround, or hardstanding, but in accordance with FAW rules the playing area had been roped off. The rule about the necessity for a programme had also been followed, with a pleasing twelve page effort available in good numbers. A small tented tea hut had also been erected selling hot and cold drinks and hot dogs. Full marks to the club for all their preparations for a match they so nearly won.

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Sep 14, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Tiptree Jobserve 0-0 Sudbury Sports
Essex & Suffolk Border League First Division (Step 8)
Admission: Free
Programme: None
Attendance: 25 h/c
Venue: Pitch 5, Florence Park, Tiptree (Colchester United’s training ground)

Only eight miles from home, but another new venue for me as I continue my travels around the E&SB League.
Tiptree had a 100% record from their three games played so far and had yet to concede scoring 17 times in the process.
Goals guaranteed or so I thought.

The pitch looked so pristine from the side that for a moment I thought it was artificial until a little wear and tear in the goalmouths gave the game away.
Pitch 5 at Florence Park, like the other four, has no hard standing, seats or cover.
Three sides are inaccessible (with the usual cage type surround), with a railing down the one side that spectators can watch from.
There are toilets here but nowhere to buy refreshments.

Sudbury fielded a very young looking side that wore AFC Sudbury shirts and colours so there is probably a connection to the senior side.

It was an entertaining game throughout and I, like many of the others watching, thought the home side had scored with about 7 minutes to go.
A shot from well outside the penalty box went over the Sudbury keeper and appeared to hit the back of the net before being scooped back out and into play.
The ref, and the Sudbury linesman, indicated that no goal had been scored much to the dismay of the Jobserve players, bench and spectators.

Despite Tiptree’s previous scoring exploits so far this was my first 0-0 for quite a while.

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Sep 14, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Southern League Division 1 Central
Yaxley 3 Kempston Rovers 1

Attendance: 78 (official)

Kempston had the best of the opening ten minutes, but the first clear-cut chance of the match came for Yaxley in the 12th minute when a Charley Sanders header was saved on the line; there were some claims for a goal, but it wasn't given. Seven minutes later, Kempston had the ball in the net themselves, but had it ruled out for handball: a free kick was played in to an unmarked Izale McLeod for a tap-in, but he was judged to have handled as he did so. After this let-off for Yaxley, Kempston started to take charge of proceedings, holding onto the ball well and putting pressure on Yaxley's high defensive line with constant balls over the top. This eventually paid off for the away side in the 34th minute: Harry Stratton beat the offside trap and rounded Aaron Butcher for an easy tap-in. Yaxley responded by upping the pressure, but the Kempston defence held firm to maintain the lead at half-time.

Yaxley started the second half with purpose, bringing on both Ross Watson and Liam Hook in the search for an equaliser. They almost immediately had an impact, as Yaxley quickly took control of proceedings and began to look much more organised. However, it took until the 53rd minute before the Kempston defence was finally breached, Joe Butterworth powering a shot into the top corner from thirty yards. Kempston then regained a foothold in the game and almost reclaimed the lead two minutes later: Stratton won the ball outside the box and shielded it into the path of McLeod, who somehow shot wide from ten yards.

The match remained finely poised for a while after this, with both teams having spells on top in search of a second goal. However, chances remained few and far between until Yaxley took complete control in the last ten minutes and laid siege to the Kempston goal. This eventually saw Yaxley deservedly take the lead in the 83rd minute when Ross Watson volleyed in from a corner. Kempston then had a brief spell of possession but were unable to produce anything from it, after which Yaxley reclaimed control and began to run the clock down. However, rather than running to the corner and trying to hold onto the ball through five minutes of stoppage time, Yaxley continued to attack and were rewarded with a third goal: Dan Cotton beat the offside trap and received an excellent through ball from Andre Williams before rounding Knox to finish the job.

Suspended Tom Waumsley aside, all of the first team were back for this game, and the difference that made in the second half (when Watson and Hook came on) was clear to see as we claimed a well-deserved victory. Now it's time to build on this result and work our way up the table. Joe Butterworth was easily man of the match with a fantastic performance in the midfield, but John-Paul Duncliffe was also at his best with a rampant performance on the right wing.

Well, this took an age to write, but to be fair I was ever so slightly distracted by events at Carrow Road.

2019/20 stats (including Pre-Season):

New Grounds: 19 (Most Recent: Marlow)
Games: 28
Goals: 96
Goals Per Game (to 2 dp): 3.43
0-0s: 1

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Sep 14, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Re: [bluearmybob] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

Also at Ipswich - Doncaster Rovers, my first 0-0 for two years but still not sure how Donny failed to score today even we had two good chances - both teams should be at the top of the table most of the season.

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Sep 14, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Devon Intermediate Cup
F/N Att. peaked at 21

Had this on my radar for a while so took advantage of the weather and the 2.15 k.o. and caught the bus from Barnstaple to Tiverton for this one.

The venue is Amory Park, off Siddals Gardens, Tiverton EX16 6DG - the park is behind Elmore's ground but approach via Siddals Gardens. Plenty of parking and hot drinks available. Its a ten minute walk to the bus station and the town centre.

The main pitch has an overhang of trees along one side and a bit of cover in front of the changing rooms. A couple of benches available if like me you are suffering with dodgy knees !!

The game was a bit of an oddity. In the first half Amory raced into a four goal lead but were pegged back to 4-2. The pacey T'side forwards then contrived to miss six one on one's with the keeper and were made to pay for these when Amory scored a late fifth. The game was marred by a bit of a spat between the rival managers and a yellow for each.
230 without a 0-0, can it last?

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Brecon Corries 20 (Twenty) Felindre 0

Rich Field: Watson Financial Mid Wales League (South)

This was my first trip to the Rich Field for just over two years when Brecon Corries hosted Pontlottyn in a Sunday evening fixture on the Welsh Groundhop. That match took place in the South Wales Alliance Premier Division but over the course of this summer the club decided to withdraw from that competition and transfer across to the Watson Financial Mid Wales League (South) in readiness for the re-organisation of the domestic pyramid at tier three and below from the start of next season. Despite being located within the Central Wales FA region, Brecon Corries have largely competed in south Wales football during the post-war era; primarily in the Welsh League but in more recent times have been in membership of the South Wales Amateur League prior to it becoming the South Wales Alliance after merging with the South Wales Senior League. The Rich Field club are more likely to gain a place in the new tier three league, through the Central Wales route, given that a number of Welsh League Third Division club will be relegated to the South Wales Alliance at the end of next season. The Corries have made an excellent start to their venture at the head the Mid Wales League (South) after winning their opening six fixtures and scoring 73 goal in the process. They recorded their biggest victory of the campaign so far last weekend after beating Knighton Town Reserves 27-0 at Bryn-y-Castell last weekend. Opponents Felindre are enjoying their third season back in local football after reforming following a hiatus of approximately half a century. Despite finishing bottom of the Mid Wales League (South) during their first two seasons back, the villagers have displayed signs of improvement this term, having already recorded four points from their opening six matches. The Radnorshire outfit suffered a narrow 1-0 reverse at Hay St Mary's last weekend prior to the daunting task they were due to face this afternoon. There had been no significant changes to the Rich Field since my last visit apart from the row of tall trees that had been cut down behind the main stand and making the ground look more open

Felindre kept their opponents at bay for the opening seven minutes before Corey Evans drove in from the left flank flank and saw his low cross deflected past the goalkeeper by Paul Keddle. The former Merthyr Tydfil front man then doubled his tally nine minutes later when he chipped the Felindre custodian before Matty Roderick converted a low cross at the far post just a minute within the restart. Roderick doubled his own tally when he headed home a hanging 19th minute cross before Steve Potter headed home from a cross on the left eight minutes later. The Corries make it a round half-dozen when James Jeffreys headed in from a 29th minute corner before the hosts netted again just a minute later when Gareth Aplin eventually forced a low cross over the goal line from close range. Keddle completed his treble in the 39th minute when he lobbed the advancing Felindre goalkeeper from a tight angle before scoring again within a minute of the kick-off. Gareth Aplin drove inside from out on the right touchline and his inviting cross was converted my Keddle at the far post. Double figures were reached just before the interval when curled a 20 yard effort past the Felindre custodian. Brecon Corries resumed the scoring in the opening minute of the second-half when a dangerous cross from the left was blocked but Keddle was in the right place to turn home the loose ball. The former Merthyr Tydfil forward drove into the penalty area in the 48th minute and saw his effort blocked but was alert enough to head the rebound into the net. Dale Evans headed home from a 54th minute free-kick on the left before Felindre managed to keep the Corries out for 23 minutes. The hosts resumed the scoring when Keddle drove down the left flank and saw his low cross converted by Rhys Thomas at the near post before Joel Evans latched on to a 79th minute through ball and slid it past the advancing goalkeeper. Evans doubled his tally three minute later when he turned neatly with his back to goal to score before Keddle took advantage of a poor goal kick in the 83rd minute to drive into the penalty area and beat the Felindre custodian. Keddle found the net for an eighth time just a minute later when he headed in from a cross on the left before Joel Evans completed his hat-trick in the 85th minute. Brecon Corries reached the 20 mark in stoppage time when Keddle lobbed the advancing custodian and Joel Evans was in the right place to sweep in the ball into net and complete the scoring for a home team that have now netted 93 times in seven league outings.

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Goals: 289
Matches: 55
New Grounds: 13

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Longridge Town 3-1 AFC Blackpool...FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round...Adm £6...Prog £1.50...Tea £1...Can of Coke £1

Change of plan on route today. Barrow Town or Dunkirk was the intended destination but after hearing of long hold ups on the M6 southbound near Wigan as they filled in pot holes, we ended up to the NE of Preston.

The area around Longridge's ground is slowly being developed with new build homes and as a result the car park is like a builders yard in places.

AFC Blackpool took the lead on 20 minutes, looking organised in defence and catching the Longridge forward line off-side regularly. Jamie Milligan bossed things behind the forward line and it stayed 0-1 at the break. The Blackpool keeper looked in fine form with three fine saves.

On 49 minutes Longridge levelled through No 8 Elliot Pond, resulting in injury to AFC Blackpool's Ryan Vaughan who was subbed. This seemed to unsettle Blackpool and they were behind on 60 minutes. A long range lob of the keeper by Paul Turner found the net. I'm not sure what was said as the ball hit the net, but the Blackpool keeper pursued the scorer and wanted to kill him. A third was added on 79 minutes again through Paul Turner and it was game over.
Still a three sided ground with the dugout side off limits. The tea bar has been moved out of the Clubhouse since I last visited as well as the toilets which are in a blue small shipping container. The pitch looked in fine fettle cut to a length of 27mm according to an article in the programme.

Fine day weather wise, took the back roads the short distance home.

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All three games of the Witney & District hop today. Until the final few minutes it was looking like all games would see the home side score the first half goals, before only the away side scoring in the second to win.

Milton-under-Wychwood 1-2 Spartan Rangers
Witney & District Premier

The pick of the three grounds, with a decent sized clubhouse offering a small amount of cover along one side. The ground was in the centre of the scenic village and the pitch roped off on all sided. Quite open on one side to the rest of the park, but more enclosed with plenty of trees round the clubhouse side. Not much parking in the ground itself, but would be fairly easy to find a space on the streets outside normally - the village hall available today. Some benches in convenient enough places to use during the game.

Milton scored within two minutes, and though they probably had more of the chances throughout were undone by goals at either end of the first half.

Minster Lovell 2-3 Carterton
Witney & District Premier

The football pitch was on the far side of the complex. The clubhouse next to the decent sized carpark (the postcode for the ground is round the other side, so I saw several cars in front of me all turn left on entering the village). The pitch was taped off only on the near side, but tree round all bar the near side give it an enclosed feel. A marquee set up between the clubhouse and cricket pitch for a later party.

In the first half Minster saw their #8 sin-binned, but on his return quickly scored twice. Carterton came close to scoring, but were comfortably better in the second half and were good value for their win.

Ducklington 2-3 Wootton Sports
Witney & District 2nd Division

A large carpark at the club, with some extra room beyond the pitch for today. The pitch was largely roped off, with hedges on both sides. One offering some welcome shade from the sun.

The hosts had far more of the chances, but were let down by their finishing at times. They did lead 1-0 at half time, before Wootton turned the tables with three second half goals. The gap was closed in the 3rd minute of added time, and despite a total of 16 minutes added on they couldn't find an equaliser, their best chance probably coming in the 14th minute. There was an injury to a visiting player, but he wastn't down for too long. The substitutions were fairly quick and no real timewasting. Not sure where the time came from, aside from an air ambulance arriving at Loughborough Dynamo, the longest half I've been at. Thankfully this time wasn't added on the first game where the trip to the second would have been very tight.

A good day out, and three clubs who hosted well. Also probably the best collection of programmes from non-regular issuers on a hop, the first and last of the day in particular don't look like one-offs. The middle one was decent too, with plenty to read.

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Tranent Juniors 2-1 Berwick Rangers
Foresters Park. Tranent
Admission £6/£3
Attendance 310

The South Cup is probably the principal cup competition now for senior non-league clubs.

A reasonable contingent travelled up from Berwick for what promised to be a difficult game for the wee Rangers - Tranent are currently top of the EoSFL Premier Division whilst Berwick, after a disastrous 2018-19 in the SPFL, are finding the going tough in the Lowland League.

Foresters Park looks great. A well manicured pitch and neat surrounds. I believe some seats (about 50) have been installed at the far end of the covered enclosure since my last visit. They still need lights, however, if they are to be licensed.

Tranent looked the better team through most of the match. A home penalty on 10 minutes and a Berwick penalty on 30 minutes meant the teams were level at half time. A howler by the Berwick keeper on 60 minutes gifted what turned out to be the winner for the home side. Tranent had chances to extend their lead but their failure to convert any was almost their undoing as Berwick finally got their act together and had the Tranent goal under siege for the last 10 minutes. Tranent survived - just.

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The Buildbase FA Vase – Second Round Qualifying
The Rotherfield – Official Attendance: 50

Midhurst & Easebourne (0) 0 …… Crowborough Athletic (1) 2

Entry - £6 (yes I did pay)
Programme - £2 (professionally produced glossy 20 page production, but not much content of interest – 7 of the pages were given over to advertising).

Didn’t travel too far for my FA Vase entertainment today – just under 40 miles, including a drive through the South Downs into West Sussex – a very pleasant journey once I had left the A3 at Petersfield. The ground itself is in the village of Easebourne, just north of Midhurst.

The ground, in its rural setting, looked superb on this gorgeous late summer afternoon. Took loads of pictures, which is a sure sign that I liked the look of the place. There is hard-standing on two sides and wide open grassy spaces on the other two sides. There is a stand on the south side of the ground containing bench seating. Behind that is Midhurst Community hospital and a ‘hidden’ entrance into the ground. I was stopped at one point, as I strolled around the ground, and told that I would need to pay an entrance fee by someone who had mistakenly thought I had snuck in through the ‘back-door’. Later, chatting to the same person, I learned that the building plans shown in the programme are for a clubhouse that they hope to be built at the western end of the ground – the current clubhouse is well away from the pitch, by the car-park on the north side.

I thought this had the makings of an interesting tie; M&E having made a good start (5 wins in 6 starts) in the SCFL First Division and Crowborough having made a poor start (5 defeats in 6 starts) in the SCEFL Premier. Crowborough started the more threatening, with the hosts struggling to clear their lines in defence, and it wasn’t long before the visitors took the lead; their #9 firing low into the corner of the net. The clock said we were in the 8th minute, but there had already been a couple of minutes worth of stoppages. The weather was warm enough to warrant a drinks break, and listening in to their chat, it was clear that Crowborough were satisfied with how things were panning out. They deserved their interval lead, but the hosts did rally in the second half; they had plenty of possession in their opponents half, but didn’t really create much more than a few half chances. The second Crowborough goal was scored by their #14. It was a result of some perseverance as he broke through one or two challenges before poking past the ‘keeper in a brief one-on-one situation. He could have scored again moments later when he broke into the box, but on this occasion the ‘keeper came out on top. And he most definitely should have scored again before the end when he managed to rattle the crossbar from an ‘unmissable’ opportunity from six yards out. The Crowborough #9 was sin-binned late in the second half for ‘cumulative dissent’ (I believe that was the term the assistant used when questioned by someone in the crowd) – the first such occurrence that I have witnessed and to be honest, I hadn’t realised that rule applied in the Vase.

A good afternoon out was spoiled when I heard the Palace result.

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FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round

Netherton United 2-3 Wroxham

Admission £5/£3 . Twelve page programme free at entrance, a very good effort for Step 7.

The Grange complex is found after negotiating a maze of streets on a new looking housing estate.
A large car park gives access to the main building, where there is a bar, function room and a warm welcome.
Outside there is a kiosk selling a variety of hot food and drinks. A bacon and egg bap (very good) and a large coffee (decent) cost me £4.20. There was also a stall selling home-made cakes!

Netherton play on a 3G surface in a cage. Spectators are allowed access to one side and half of one end, although a view of the action could be obtained at various points from outside the perimeter fence. Some cover is provided, however was not needed on a dry sunny afternoon.

Wroxham started the more composed, and after a couple of near misses, found themselves two goals up by the 27th minute, both scored by Ryan Miles. Netherton soon pulled one back, only for the Yachtsmen to restore their two goal advantage before half time.
Wroxham seemed to lose focus in the second half, as Netherton upped their game and made the score 2-3 with around twenty minutes to go. Some hefty challenges, from both sides, in the closing stages kept both physios busy and led to a lengthy stoppage time. Wroxham held on and go into the hat for the next round.

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Sep 14, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Cadbury Reserves 1 Sporting Club Inkberrow 8

Interesting game played at the attractive Bournville rec. Completely different gulf in class from start to finish. Goof company from Eggyhopper and Gareth and his wife Jodie from Shrewsbury

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Sep 14, 2019, 9:53 PM

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HOLLAND & BLAIR (0) 1 DEAL TOWN (1) 2 FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round.Admission £7 / £5 with programme Att; 70 approx.Seated stand next to the dressing room and a small covered standing area opposite.Out of bounds behind the far goal.Deal scored midway through the first half with the home side on top in the 2nd period and scored a deserved equaliser before Deal scored the winner in the 87th minute against the run of play.

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Felixstowe 3-1 Cambridge City
Isthmian North
Att 325
Adm £9/6, free prog, I read it Thursday and probably wont bother again, it's not that bad, it's just there's nothing in there I didn't already know.

These two are destined for the bottom 6 on this showing, Cambridge looked good going forward but were very dodgy at the back.
1st half Cambridge should have been 3 up, but poor finishing, awful final ball decisions and dwelling on the ball in good positions meant they only scored one, then they very generously gave a way a needless penalty just before half time, so 1-1 at the break.
2nd half Cambridge midfield stopped running the show and Felixstowe started attacking, scored twice and when City had a player sent off (nobody knew why) that was it, there was some handbags, didn't look too serious, after talking to his linesman the ref showed one red card and didn't talk to anyone else. Felixstowe's discipline is usually bad, but Cambridge's defence didn't want to accept the ref's decision on many occasions.
Nice to see Neil H and a decent crowd of Cambridge supporters, hopefully when we play you away next season it'll be in Sawston.

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Sep 14, 2019, 11:08 PM

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FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round
Cleator Moor Celtic 0-2 Crook Town
Admission £4 Programme £1
Tea in a proper mug 50p
Att: 108 (official)

A game between teams from two of my favourite leagues failed to live up to (my) expectations and had 0-0 written all over it until substitute Christian Holliday (83) headed home for the visitors.

Callum Johnston added a stoppage time second to give the scoreline a somewhat flattering look.

A couple of pre-fab stands are the only furniture at the ground but it was a pleasant enough spot in the September sunshine. Not so sure it would be so nice in the depths of winter!

Post match analysis took place at the Hawkshead Brewery in Staveley where there was a fine selection of ales to choose from.

Good day out and glad to get an awkward trip out of the way. Thanks to Catchagoalgoal for his company this afternoon.

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Sep 14, 2019, 11:15 PM

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I didn’t want to drive far today so I decided not to go to one of the Norfolk Junior Cup matches. Instead I drove to Colchester railway station & caught the train into London & then the snail service to Alton. I had a good wander round the town. The museum had a wall dedicated to ex Portsmouth & England player Jimmy Dickinson along with an england cap.

I visited Alton Town ground in Jan 2013 where I also had a look at today’s venue.

The Buildbase FA Vase 2nd Round Qualifying
Alton Town 1 (69)
Westbury Utd 2 (18 & 88, red 30)
KO: 15:00 Att: 94 h/c Cost: £5 Progs available

Venue: Anstey Park Enclosure, Anstey Lane, Alton
Ground is in the corner of a park but is enclosed nicely. Alton RUFC have 4 pitches with some women learning to play today.
Tidy ground which I liked with the artificial pitch & 3 floodlight poles each side. See through fencing around ground. Fully railed with infill & tarmac h/s. Main side has fairly wide h/s in areas with some grass in one corner. Behind fence is Alton RUFC clubhouse. Sloping up is a covered stand with 4 rows of mostly dark green seats & some white. This goes just past the half-way line. In other half is brick new looking clubhouse. To the side of it is a raised patio area but no good for watching the game. In front is a wooden bench. Behind both goals are paths. One has bushes & behind fence sloping down is the park. Some houses set back along with a lot of trees & sloping back up in the distance is a hill. Other goal has a decent elevated grass area behind the path. Behind fence is a kids play area. Other side has grass in each corner with bushes. The remainder has terracing with a steep 1st row. In one half are 2 covered rows which goes just past the half-way line. The remainder has 4 rows mostly covered. Behind are houses.

Weather: After the cool trains it was nice to feel the heat. Sunny, warm & at times very warm.

Match: 5th out of 20 (4.0.1) in Sydenhams Wessex League Division 1 (v) 9th out of 21 (2.1.2) in Toolstation Western League Premier Division.

Has the TWL got a deal that their teams away must wear grey. I saw Bradford Town last week wearing it, today WU wore an even worse grey kit. It didn’t clash with Alton’s white kit but it would’ve been a lot easier on the eye with a bright colour.
ALT started the better side but didn’t threaten although it was a surprise when WU took the lead when a header went through the gk’s hands. WU player got a red card for a foul. ALT had a double effort on 35mins saved & blocked. Shots 8-3.

The clubhouse tv had BT Sport latest scores on at h/t. H/t lasted just over 13mins.
WU started the better side early in the 2nd half & shot just wide on 52mins. For a long period ALT were camped in WU’s half with a lot of pressure. A wonderful strike flew over the gk for the equaliser. A couple of mins later a good chance was wasted off target. The gk made a save on 76mins & a header went just over on 87mins. Towards the end WU had some quick breaks which came to nothing. They did however get out of jail with a beautifully placed shot for the winner just as I was getting ready for the dreaded extra-time. Shots 9-5.

ALT will probably feel this was a match they should’ve won but their finishing wasn’t very good.

Reverse journey back.

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Sep 14, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Salford City 0 Cheltenham Town 2
League 2, Att; 2389 (328 visitors)
Admission £10 (+ £1 booking fee)
Programme £3 for 72 pages with loads of good content and excellent value.

A trip up north to re-Complete the 92 (Again) saw Salford fall to a home football league defeat for the first time, and to be fair deservedly so.
Cheltenham were vastly superior in every department and as a neutral I felt they had another gear to go up had they required. As it was, having taken the lead on the half hour they surprisingly seemed happy to sit back in the second half and let Salford come at them. However Salford despite having a lot of possession, particularly in the second half, never really threatened the experienced Scott Flinders in the visitors goal. My thought is that Salford were very poor, and having only won their first game of the season, if they play like this too often it could be a long season for them. However, I guess the finances available will prevent an immediate return to the conference.
The first goal came on the half hour when Cheltenham got behind the Salford defence down the left and the subsequent cross found its way to Ryan Broom about ten yards out and his shot found its way in despite the attempts of a defender to keep it out.
It was Broom, impressive throughout who added the second on 83 minutes when the just as impressive Alex Addai held off home defenders and played Broom in to slide the ball past Kyle Latheran in the Salford goal and send the visiting contingent into raptures.
That signalled a mass exodus from those amongst the home followers and after that Salford never really looked like pulling one back.
Anorak footnote is that I initially completed the 92 at Hartlepool in 2013, in a 1-1 draw with Brentford. Their scorer that day was a Luke James who also scored when I re completed a couple of years ago, playing for Forest Green. Today, again re completing the 92, the aforementioned Scott Flinders kept goal for the visitors, just as he had for Hartlepool in that game 6 years ago.
Moor Lane, or the Peninsula Stadium as it is now referred has been transformed since the early days of the Class of 92 documentaries. Covered seating along both sides with covered terracing at both ends makes for a decent set up, and having chosen to stand in the home end, there is a decent ‘fanzone’ behind the terracing, with various outlets all housed in refurbished freight containers doing a roaring trade.
I was impressed too by the programme, Salford are producing varying styles for the cover and today’s was a retro cover copied from something that I can’t put my finger on what though. In addition it had excellent content.
My usual thoughts about clubs that are bankrolled through the leagues, ie Rushden, Fleetwood, FGR etc are not positive. Rich sugar daddies playthings, with little fan base do little to appease me, however for some bizarre reason I do not have quite the same level of resentment for Salford. Mainly I guess it is around the fact that many folk bemoan the lack of money the filters down from the top; The ex Man U contingent have, albeit indirectly, filtered a significant amount down to Salford so it is churlish to be too scathing. Added to the fact that admission prices have remained frozen since conference north days of 2 years ago, and today’s match cost me the same (Including booking fee) as a match between two sides at step 3 in the week, and half of what most clubs in league 2 are charging and it adds to the slight positivity I feel towards them.
All in all an enjoyable day out, and if Leo, one of our modfathers is reading, I fancy your teams chances this season. (The kiss of death if ever there was one).

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Rainford United 11-3 Pensby
West Cheshire League Division 3
No admission charge
Att: 5 (h/c)

This place was a bugger to find, mainly because the layout of the Edge Hill University complex has changed dramatically compared to what is currently shown on Google Maps aerial view. The club have tweeted photos of a pitch inside a red running track, one of which can be seen on said aerial view, but on approaching the area it was clear that this was now covered by a large building. The grass pitch that was adjacent is similarly non-existent now. I then went on a walking tour of the campus, passing a few caged pitches, before finally ending up near where I started at a brand new running track where a game was about to start. Unfortunately this was a Wigan Amateur League game hosted by Ormskirk, rather than the match I wanted. On a high plateau above the track I could see some more activity so ventured up there - success! There are a few pitches in this area, which was previously just fields. The pitch was in excellent condition, but with no furniture, not even a rope.

The game wasn't as good as the result sounds. Pensby took a very early lead, but a devastating spell of 4 goals in less than 10mins by the home side put the result beyond doubt before the quarter hour was up. Pensby rallied briefly to make the score 6-3 at half time, but the 2nd half was a pedestrian procession. Pensby's defence was shocking, and Rainford had time & space to put the ball where they wanted. Not really a contest. If this is the standard of this division I may well give it a swerve in the future.

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NCAA @ UC Irvine. KO 15:30/16:15. Admission $7/$5. Free 4 page programme. Crowd 48.

Concordia Eagles 5 v 2 San Marcos Cougars

The 4g pitch is located inside the running track with Gazebos providing shelter for the players in the 95 degree heat. Basic set up in a very upmarket area with barriers at both entrances.

A goal apiece in the first period with Cougars taking the lead. The visitors struck first in the second half as well but after equalising, Eagles took control with 3 more including a penalty and an own goal.

The KO should have been 15:30 but the women's game finished level so extra time was played. It was a league match not a cup tie but the NCAA don't want draws so extra time was played, no further goals so it ended as a draw, pointless really.

USL @ Orange County Great Park. Admission $14, reduced from $18 today. No programme. Crowd NK. Possibly 600+

Orange County 2 v 0 El Paso

The OC soccer stadium is quite impressive with seated stands on 3 sides and excellent views from all areas. Fairly new construction and different from many in design.

Bought a $14 ticket which was for the area behind the goal but as I wandered around I saw empty seats in the main stand and no one checking tickets, so I sat in a seat selling for $25, normal stuff in the USA.

Reasonable game with the hosts taking a first half lead from a free kick. Match was decided in 60 seconds in the second period when an EL Paso player was in on goal but slid the shot just wide of the post and from there OC went down the other end to wrap up the game. Huge car park on site providing free parking and a trouble free exit made.

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Colden Common (3) 3 Upham 0 - Hampshire League Cup 1st rd - att 27 h/c prog £1

After hitting the post with a penalty, Common then scored 3 times in 10 mins to wrap this up well before half-time Common's new home at Otterbourne rec is a fine place to spend a glorious Saturday afternoon. Parking is at a premium but I was lucky to find last space. Good programme.

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Sep 15, 2019, 9:03 AM

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I read your comments with interest, and a slight envy that I was in the North of France, rather than the North of England.

Still, having lost my musings with the click of a key last night, here is my second attempt at reporting on

Union Sportive Ouvriere Nomande du Mondeville 0-3 Avant Garde Caennaise
Stade Michel Farre, Admission €3. Attendance ~500.

A good derby game, between two teams that were in the same division last season. AG Caen have won promotion, while Mondeville remain in Regional 1. A sunny evening and a local derby brought a good crowd out to a pleasant ground.

The Stade Michel Farre lacks a running track, and has all the covered accommodation in a well raised stand that tapers to the back and has a membrane roof. The roof supports look newer than the stand itself. Under the seating area, the stand has a club room, dressing rooms and there is also a bar facing outwards.

Due to the barrier at the front of the stand, a cage between the dressing rooms and the pitch and the team benches, the view of the near touchline from the stand is quite limited.

Food sales are arranged separately in a large hut in one corner that is signed as operated by the supporters’ club. Saucisse Americain, a grilled sausage and chips, all in a baguette set me back €4.

The rest of the pitch surround is a wide pathway outside the rail. It was a warm evening and more than half the crowd settled for the standing views.

Within the stand, the home side had a drummer who encouraged some of the local clubs to shout “Mond-Ville”, while it appeared that one end was mainly visiting fans. No shirt colours from either side to show the relative support; the most prominent being kids wearing “Barcelona shirts”. These days, I get confused by the preponderance of different coloured Barca shirts, and I am sure many of these replica shirts are designs that have never been worn on the football field.

AG Caen, playing in Blue and Darker Blue halved shirts, with White sleeves started in a 4-3-3 formation, but as I found with Stade Mayenne a week before, an early goal meant they would retreat back to 4-1-4-1. Mondeville, in red with navy shorts settled for 4-4-2.

While Mondeville had a couple of early chances, they found themselves behind in slightly bizarre circumstances. The initial strike was by one of their own defenders, but he was saved from an own goal as it rebounded off the post. Maxime Roynel was the player on hand to put away the rebound.
Not a lot happened in the rest of the half, and I may have been a little preoccupied with refreshing the twitter feed from Salford, but generally having dropped back to the more defensive formation, Caen were content to give away possession in the knowledge their defence was more than equal to their opponent’s attack

The second half was more of the same, with Mondeville having most of the possession and getting the ball into the area frequently, but their only options appeared to be powder puff shots on target, or ballooning powerful shots into the next field (or even town).

AG Caen were content to break away with little support, and frequently got caught offside, but still managed to double the lead midway through the half. There was a chance for Mondeville to give us an exciting final ten minutes when their winger fell into a heap under a challenge with ten minutes to play. The penalty was too close to the keeper who at least ended up with one shot to save, so the game stayed at 2-0 until a further break, a few minutes from the end allowed Caen to wrap things up

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Sep 15, 2019, 9:36 AM

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1st of 6 new east of the centre this season
Southern Premier Central
Biggleswade Town 2 Nuneaton Borough 0
Att 181 ( 50-60 away )
Adm £10
Parking free on site
f&d £7 bacon baguette , coffee , can of pop Good quality but on the pricey side .
Easy journey down to what seemed an affluent but sleepy town . Only thing of note was the sat nat informing us" we had reached our destination "as we drove past on the A1 with the ground clearly visible below the road but still ten minuets away through the streets of Biggleswade .
Plenty pf parking at this multi pitch slightly out of town site Ground it's self is pretty basic even for this level , it wouldn't look out of place at step 5 . I suppose it does the job for their small fan base . Very friendly club , made us feel welcome .
Another disappointing result in our poor start to the season .
Deservedly beaten by a very young but well drilled & committed home side .

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South Challenge Cup Round Two
Creetown v Craigroyston, 1-5, H.T. 1-2, Att c.40, Admission £4, Pie and Coffee £2.50, Can of Belhaven Best £2, No paper
At Castle Cary Park, Creetown

Back in June when the draw for this Cup was announced, this game had immediate appeal. Two of my mates had never been to Creetown and my own last visit was in the early 1990s. I’d passed the ground a few times since then and was well aware that it had changed beyond all recognition.

In those days Castle Cary Park was basically a farmer’s field with goalposts and a hut for changing. There was no boundary fence and the turf looked like it had been ploughed up. Nowadays the ground is surrounded by an impressively sturdy wooden palisade, there is a swanky pavilion building and the pitch itself is an immaculate green lawn.

It’s located at the entrance to the Castle Cary Holiday Park, a popular destination for touring and static caravans in idyllic scenery where the Cree Estuary meets the Solway Firth. There is a big car park – all located to the south end of the village, towards Dumfries on the A75. Spectator access is limited to an area of around one-third of the pavilion side and I’d put the capacity at 100 tops. There is absolutely no provision for spectators on the ends or the far side, or towards the corners of the pavilion side. The spectator area is backed by the pavilion which includes a pie hatch at one end and a howff at the other. The howff serves canned beer and a wide range of spirits. Approximately half of the spectator area is covered with a canopy.

Creetown tend to be perennial strugglers in the South of Scotland League. Visitors from Craigroyston have been through difficult times recently. A proposed merger with Leith Athletic during the Summer fell through at the last moment, probably to the detriment of both clubs. Finding themselves without a manager a few weeks ago, Craigie also lacked a team and had to call a game off due to lack of players. They have now installed Cowden folk hero Jordan Sheerin (the Cove Killer) as Player Manager and they turned up with a team and three subs for this game.

It was 1-0 to Craigroyston early on but Creetown fluked an equaliser with a deflected goal. Craigie restored their lead before half time. Despite being reduced to ten men Craigroyston enhanced their lead to the tune of 5-1 with Sheerin himself bagging the fifth. The final scoreline was a little harsh on Creetown but there was no denying that the better team won.

I’ve only ever seen one Creetown programme, some 20 years ago for a friendly against Kilmarnock to celebrate their Centenary.

The village of Creetown is by-passed these days but it is well worth a diversion. Most of the village scenes for The Wicker Man were filmed here – Britt Ekland (or her body double) performing her erotic wall-hugging dance in the Ellengowan Hotel on the Main Street.

Getting to Creetown by road proved interesting. Google Maps suggested the quickest was from Glasgow was via Ayr, Minishant, Kirkmichael, Glen Trool and Newton Stewart. To say this is a windy, narrow road is something of an understatement. Much of it is single track with passing places. We opted to come back via the wider but equally tortuous and winding Newton Stewart to Girvan road. My mate’s driving is eccentric at best and frequently downright dangerous and these roads afforded him ample opportunity to demonstrate his talents.

Mightily relieved to have made it back to civilisation with only one near-death experience we adjourned to the Blackfriars in Glasgow for refreshment. They had the very excellent Brockville Pale Ale from a Falkirk-based brewery which certainly helped calm my nerves before embarking on stage 2 of Death Race 2000 back to Edinburgh.

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FAW Trophy 2nd Round

Barmouth & Dyffryn United 2 Gwalchmai 1 (AET)

Wern Mynach, Barmouth

Admission - £3 Programme - £1.50 Attendance - circa. 100

With a good number of the Barmouth 1st team away on a stag weekend in Spain, I figured that the away team would head into this fixture as favourites but was pleasantly surprised by the home team performance in an entertaining fixture which was eventually settled in the last 5 minutes of extra time due to a late Barmouth winner.

With both teams being at the 2nd level of the Welsh Alliance League, it was always going to be a tight affair and whereas it was sometimes low on quality, the 22 on the field more than made up for this with effort for the full 120 minutes on a gloriously sunny afternoon at the Wern Mynach. Indeed, such was the weather, the referee stopped play for a drinks break mid-way through the 2nd half.

Barmouth therefore progress to the 3rd round, the question now is will they placed in the North Western or Central section of the draw?

As ever with Bermo, good quality programme which sold out prior to kick off.

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.....During the week, I had the nagging realisation that thus far this season there had been few 'longer journey' trips. Partially rectified with....

Matlock Town 1 v 2 South Shields - Northern Premier League Premier Division
Prog 40 pages - Admission £10.00 - Att 614 (Chalked up on a blackboard on departure).

....One of those Saturdays where little leapt out, until this contest between two of the divisions speedy starters appealed and in addition Matlock is a picturesque and not overly busy town that IMHO is always pleasant to wile away a few hours.

Matlock's previous unbeaten run in the league came to an end with the visitors showing more ability in virtually every sector and although the hosts put in a hard working shift, much more was required to threaten a very capable South Shields team who are surely one of favourites for NPL title honours at the other end of the season.

A first half where both teams displayed plenty of toil to no great effect, where you had to take the very warm in the sun conditions into account. The better first half opportunities were created by South Shields with a goalbound header from Gary Brown being met by an excellent flying save from Jon Stewart in the Matlock goal and from a Blair Adams cross a further header from Jon Shaw which was also heading between the sticks took a saving deflection and looped over the bar. The hosts were largely restricted to free kicks around the edge of the area taken by Dan Bramall which were of little threat to the goal of Myles Boney. The closest we were to a first half goal was in the final seconds with a further Adams cross being met with a looping header from Dillon Morse which came back off the top of the bar and it looked a relatively simple task for Jason Gilchrist to dispatch the rebound, save for the fact that he rushed his shot and resulting shot effort ended up out of the ground.

The visitors inability to take the lead was rectified within a minute of the restart with a header out from James Williamson which should have had more distance landed at the feet of Jon Shaw who met perfectly on the half volley on the edge of the area and what turned out to be the memorable moment of the contest found the far corner leaving Steward clutching at the warm Daleside air. The lead was then doubled when Adam Thurston's forceful run forward was ended by Jack Rea's clumsy challenge on the edge of the area. Linesman's flag promptly raised with accompanying point to the spot by the Ref and Robert Briggs sent the resultant penalty to his left as Stewart dived to his left.

With a healthy and seemingly impregnable two goal advantage, the visitors fell back into defence and had few problems defending their advantage until a low ball in from Dan Bramall on the left reached Marcus Marshall back to goal, one quick turn and rapier like finish saw the ball flash past Boney and at this point of time there were hopes that Matlock's unbeaten record could be maintained. This did not happen as there were always sufficient South Shields defensive bodies in situ and even in the final minutes when Stewart joined the attacking fray all he could do when a corner landed at his feet ten yards out was strike a shot that was akin to a goal kick which joined the several other efforts which caused the home ball retrievers to exit the ground to search. Good noisy support for the visitors in the region of two hundred and they were audibly noticeable throughout the contest.

On recall Causeway Lane is one of those venues where they may be blocking my admission in future as five of the six visits have coincided with home defeats and another statistical foible is that of the six visits all have been made in the opening months of the season. Classic NPL ground that is always a joy to visit with a fairly new seated stand and plenty of cover and terracing but best of all IMHO probably one of the best views from a venue towards the Heights of Abraham and Riber Castle.

Good place for hostelries as well is Matlock with all four of the 2020 GBG entries visited though the hikes up the hill towards the Newsroom and Thorntree (usual disorganisation as I thought that the former was in the town centre) being on the arduous side of punishing and duly noticed the defibrillator attached to the Derbyshire County Council building at the top. Quick sojourn at the top of the hill to the newly opened Farmacy Ale House for tastings from the Aardvark Brewery. Pleasant conversation with a local in the Thorntree who recommended the Red Lion near to the ground as they had just commenced brewing and their Moot Oak ales were palatable as well as a first time sampling from Derby's Littleover Brewery.

Very much an impulse trip but few problems using East Midlands Trains apart from missing Derby Station on the return journey due to the weekly sleep debt being recovered. No difficulties though with travelling back via Nottingham but arrived back half an hour later than expected.....

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2 games; 1st one...Milton Under Wynchwood on the Witney hop, will no doubt be anylised elsewhere, 2nd game AFC Aldermaston (1)1 Binfield (1)3 Att 77hc FA Vase 2nd Qualifying at the Aldermaston Sports Society, I don't really know to where to start with this one except to say, just don't bother, if you haven't already, admission £5 inc programme, no refreshments inside ground, outside, this former Government Nuclear atomic site has a 60's style changing block, semi decent club., where you can get cold drinks , but officially you're NOT allowed to take them inside ground!? no cover, you can only watch on one side, there's a curious old changing block with upstairs small viewing platform for about 10, steps leading up either side, over dugouts. a footpath up one side, masquerading as hardstanding, access to the other side is possible, if someone opens a locked side. but on the whole, eerie and unpleasant. Binfield did a 2nd half 'job' on hosts after a difficult 1st half.

Have no Plan A and apply it rigidly..

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Parkgate 1-1 Hallam
NCEL Div.1
Admission £5
Programme £1.50




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Banbury Utd 0 Hitchin T 0
Southern Prem Central Adm £7 Prog £2 Att 405

Banbury went into this game as league leaders but failed to break down winless Hitchin in a dull game, enlivened only by two missed penalties by the visitors in the space of three second half minutes, both saved by the home keeper Jack Harding who was making his 200th appearance. The second penalty resulted in a red card but the visitors were also reduced to ten men shortly thereafter so failed to take advantage. The hosts hit the post late on but the home crowd went home frustrated.

The ground is situated down a fairly narrow road behind Banbury Station. There's adequate car parking if you drive down far enough. I had heard good things about the ground and I liked the terracing behind the right hand goal but overall I found it fairly unattractive, maybe because everything is painted in club colours, namely a garish red and yellow. Perhaps my view was influenced by the lack of entertainment for the first hour or so......

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BetVictor Northern Premier League South-East Division
Cleethorpes Town 2 Leek Town 1
Att: 556 Adm: comp (usually £8) Prog: comp (usually £2)

A good win for the Owls against Leek Town, who arrived at Linden boasting a 100% record. The Blues are clearly a well-organised outfit, but could have no complaints about their defeat.

The visitors grabbed the lead in the 12th minute courtesy of a low finish from Rob Stevenson. Not a good goal to concede from Clee's perspective however, too much time and space was allowed. If the home side were short of confidence after 3 successive losses, you would not have noticed. They battled hard for the rest of the half and Scott Vernon fired a cracking leveller just before the break.

After the interval, it was fairly cagey. However, the Owls generally carried more threat and invention. The deserved winner came in the 78th minute - Brody Robertson showing excellent skill to firstly control and then slot under the keeper.

No moans from a couple of Leek fans that I spoke to in the clubhouse at the end. On reflection, most people seemed to agree that the score was about fair. The division is starting to take shape and it will come as something as a surprise if both of these combatants are not in the top 5 come the end of April. Sheffield are the best side that I have seen so far though.

2019/20 season: 21 competitive games
(13 NPL SE, 2 FA Cup, 3 FA Trophy, 1 League Cup, 1 Lincs Cup, 1 FA Youth Cup)

Total goals: 85 (4.0 per game)
Most: 9 (Cleethorpes Town 5 Loughborough Dynamo 4 - 31/8/19)

Last 0-0: Ilkeston Town v Cleethorpes Town (Northern Premier League SE - 17/8/19)
(Current run: 20)

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National League

Dagenham & Redbridge 3 Hartlepool United 1

Entry - £21 for Carling Stand. Programme - £3. Attendance - 1392. Weather Sunny and pleasantly warm.

A train and tube trip took me into the wilds of East London to attend this pretty good match. D&R has seating on two adjacent sides and terracing on the others, the one behind the goal uncovered. It's a large ground and creates a good atmosphere. Large clubhouse but no real ale. Around 250 made the journey from Hartlepool - full credit to them.

First half was quite even but D&R went ahead on 24 when the Pools defence went AWOL and Quigley slotted it in. In the second half the home side were well on top throughout. Balanta scored a great goal from an acute angle on 69 and although HU got one back on 82, D&R sealed it on 82 with another one from Quigley.

7 unbeaten now for D&R and on this showing they may be in with a shout for promotion back to the Football League.

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Saturday 14th September 2019 @3pm
Isthmian League South East Division
Salters Lane, ME13 8ND

Admission: £10
Programme: £2
Attendance: 312

Prematch walk around the town centre as there was a food and drink festival, perfect for the late summer sun. Faversham has an abundance of pubs probably due to the Shepherd Neame brewery in the town and there are a fair few eateries as well as a fabulous record shop, Creekside Vinyl in Market Street. Then it’s a 15 minute walk to the ground.

Faversham deserves their win thanks to the dominance in the second half although they were gifted the goal just before half time. A pass back to Benham, the Brickies keeper, looked simple enough but he sliced his kick right to Freighter who sheepishly hit it into the unguarded net.

Town will finish top half if they can show more consistency but Sittingbourne look like they are in for a tough season on this showing.

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FA Vase QR2
Brookwood Country Park
Knaphill 2 Tunbridge Wells 2 (AET 2-2)
Admission: £8 Paper available Attendance: Estimated 50-60?

New tick after dropping eldest off for a business flight. Tidy arrangment with some good areas of shelter needed on a blisteringly hot afternoon. CCP versus SCEP promised much; what we got was a game of little skill but a lot of action which the home side will be disappointed not to have won and saved a trek across to Kent on Tuesday.
The first half produced two errors leading to goals. Home side were faster out of the blocks and when the TW keeper spilled a soft-ish shot on 12 it was bundled in. Thereafter it remianed all one-way until on 44 a through ball squirted away from the keeper and the two defenders left it to each other; in the meantime a TW attacker nipped in and before he could control it one of the defenders woke up and fouled him just outside the 6-yd box. Penalty converted easily. This so riled the home No.10 as he breated all his defence that the next 50/50 ball he was anywhere near he flew in studs showing and got red-carded! HT 1-1.
Second half was much of the same blood and thunder; the numbers were evened up as the home winger was felled by a defender already on a Yellow. Another Red!
On 65 the home side inexplicably refused to tackle a TW midfielder as he slalomed his way toward goal and then placed a left foot shot into the corner. TW then indulged in some epic time-wasting but were undone when an angled shot crept in at the far post. More efforts were blazed over. FT 2-2. Extra time was much the same with the home side hitting the bar once and the post twice.
Home in 75 in a trouble-free journey.

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2019-20 Games: 93 Goals: 366 GPG: 3.94 New Grounds: 51

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Brentham 2 v London Samarui United 2

Middlesex County Premier Division
Admission Free, Programme Free

With beautiful warm sunny day in London I saw this as the perfect opportunity to tick a venue that’s been on my radar for a while. Brentham FC play at the Brentham club which has facilities for Football, Cricket, Lawn Tennis, Lawn Bowls and snooker. A blue plaque on the outside states that Fred Perry used to play there - The whole place was a hive of activity especially the tennis courts.

The football is in the far corner and tucked away nicely to actually feel like a football ground rather than an afterthought. I found the whole place very pleasant - the area which is one I hadn’t really walked around before is lovely and with beautiful period properties.

These two teams were the top two in the division and it told on the pitch - a close game in which a draw was the right result. Brentham would have posed more threat if they hadn’t constantly been offside when in attack.

Nice to pick up a Programme (12 pages) - don’t think they printed many off but an official had a few in a carrier bag, think they were free but I gave the guy a quid.

Really enjoyable tick.

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Went to the hop games at Milton-under-Wychwood and Ducklington, my first ticks in the Witney and District league for 29 years.

In between I squeezed in a visit to ...

Oxfordshire Senior League, Premier Division
Freeland 2 Hanbrough 2 (att 56 h/c)
Free admission, no progs

The game was a slow burner. The first half was goalless but it came to life after the break as the home side went 2-0 up only to be pegged back by two late Hanborough goals. The visitors' equaliser was effectively the final kick of the match, as the full time whistle blew just as the game restarted.

Freeland's ground has been covered in previous WDYG posts. It's basic but pleasant enough. The the pitch is on the far side of a cricket square from the village hall and changing rooms, and was roped off along the near side.

All three of Saturday's games are featured on my blog https://stevebthegroundhopper.blogspot.com/


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Central Midlands League South Division Rowsley 5 Ashland Rovers 2 Admission £3 Programme £2 Attendance 14

A simply stunning setting for this ground set deep in the Peak District and situated at the bottom of a 1 in 5 hill which you take if coming from Chesterfield. The Recreation Ground is on the fringe of the village and is surrounded by hills and woodland. I eschewed my usual GBG visit and went to the Caudwell's Mill cafe situated barely 5 minutes walk away for coffee and a scone.
The ground here is merely roped off on the side nearer the changing rooms. There is no access to any of the other 3 sides. Wooden dugouts, clearly constructed like this to fit in with the surroundings, are on the far side of the pitch. There is no other football furniture. As you enter from the car park there is a large hut where you pay your admission money and pick up a glossy professionally produced 28 page full colour programme. There is a large grassed area to cross before you get to the pitch which was used by both teams to warm up (the pitch was in magnificent condition and the club clearly want to keep it that way, although there is a noticeable slope from the car park end down). Rowsley have slowly but surely climbed through minor leagues since their formation in the 1980s before entering the Central Midlands League last season. An immediate promotion followed as a result of their second place finish. They are still unbeaten this season and looked a very useful outfit particularly in the first half against a game but outclassed Ashland team. Refreshments are available from the building on your left as you enter.
I was very impressed by the whole experience here at a club clearly on an upward trajectory who will need to get planning permission for floodlights if They want to progress further up the pyramid.

"There's a man with a mullet going mad with a mallet in Milletts".

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TKT: £16. PROG: £2.50. ATT: 2,395

Busy morning selling off furniture, so was a tad later arriving than hoped for. Second trip to HP this season & whisper it quietly but after six years of utter dross, things appear to be looking up finally. The ground is in its thirtieth season of use now, & the place was rocking at times! Cracking positive atmosphere for a pleasant change, with an entertaining game for the punters to watch on a warm afternoon.

The coasters plans on being a footy league club anytime soon, seems to have fallen by the wayside a tad. After being play off material in recent years, they’re struggling this time around. Fylde aren’t followed in numbers either, with less than fifty in the seats supporting them. For once an enjoyable afternoon in the autumn sunshine & I’m looking forward to another trip next month too.

KRTM :-)

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Another one at Salford City for the 92 today, and as per Bigaitch (post 23) the over-riding thought was: Leo would be loving this! The home side were very poor indeed and there was ZERO atmosphere except from the away end. I can't get past the ManU connection so am unable to wish this club well. On this showing they're going back where they came from. A far more soporific experience than my morning entertainment :

Manchester Saturday Morning League, Div.1
West Didsbury 3-5 Eastlands
1015 at Wythenshawe University PFs, pitch 20 of 26 !

f&n, h/c 6

With thanks to Steveb for having messaged me descriptions of all today's venues, none trumped this, where I had hoped to maybe get two simultaneous. No chance! This is a massive complex of well-maintained grass pitches served by a giant pavilion and a huge car park (bizarrely, accessed via narrow residential streets). My top flight game was up on the top plateau, the Div.2 match was right down at the bottom, beyond pitches hosting kids' matches and then behind trees. School kids were lapping the edge of the whole complex for their cross-country run.

This was my first encounter with the sin-bin. Can't say I'm a fan. West Didsbury were cruising it at 2-0 until a defender told the ref what he thought of him 7 minutes before HT. He started the second period (supposed to have waited for 10mins, surely?) but by then it was 2-2, and Eastlands carried on that momentum to immediately go 2-3 up. A spectator rocked up just in time to see that goal, so I spoke to him to let him know the score. Turns out it was the organizer of the League, who always does half of one game then half of another. He's a long-time City fan, and my enemy's enemy is my friend, so we had plenty to chat about. Smile
West Didsbury never did recover from that shift in control to re-establish their initial dominance, so weren't going to repeat last Saturday's opening day feat of scoring 11. They benefitted from a dodgy pen to get a third but Eastlands had got a further 2 to make it 2 out of 2 for them. A thoroughly enjoyable way to spend a morning.
Walking back to the car park, several pitches were now being used for different age group girls' games - all of them ManU v Everton. Come on Everton!!

Had a bit of time on mu hands before my game 2, so went to tick the nearest brewpub new to me, the ConClub in Altrincham market place, imbibing a half of each of the two they had on. Blimey, I thought I was up north here, but I was served by a hipster barman with waxed moustache with a penny farthing dangling from the ceiling, Not my sort of place. Went across to the market in search of a proper butchers pork pie for my dinner. Nope! All avocados on sourdough toast etc! The sooner this HS2 gets built and sucks all this lot down to London where they belong, the better! Anybody would think it's not the 1950s up north any longer... SIGH

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Northallerton Town 2-3 Barnoldswick Town

FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round, admission £6, programme available, chip butty (on a bun not bread) £2.50, Nescafe Gold latte £1.80, att: 131

I decided against leaving at dawn's crack to stand in a field in Oxfordshire and headed to my original choice of Vase game when the draw came out. Pretty uneventful journey north except for sitting on the A1 around Doncaster for 20 minutes whilst a multi vehicle shunt was tidied up. This later arrival meant my choice of chippy had closed 5 minutes before my arrival.

Cracking ground with 3 steps of terracing on three sides with crush barriers, 1 side covered and a seated stand on the same side too.

How Northallerton lost this I do not know, they should have been 5-0 up after 20 minutes, spurning 3 of their 5 gilt edged chances. Instead they led by 2 and took their foot off the gas. Bar'l'ick then got some composure and ebbed away at the home side. Their winner came late on to much delight and over the course of the 90 minutes probably edged it. Cracking afternoon's entertainment in balmy weather.

Straight forward journey home meant I was back for 720pm enabling me to join the Mrs in an evening of dross on the TV.

Last ground visited(update requested by Spud): Wellington . New grounds 18/19: 38

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Boscombe Polonia 0 Alderholt 7 (Dorset Senior League) Att: 2 f&n

Another one who didn't fancy an early departure to Wiyney, but pereferred a leisurely drive to Dorset. I was rewarded with an enjoyable game which was close in the first half - just a single goal - but not in the second. Alderholt look a pretty decent side and I look forward to a visit to their place soon. Decent quality, super ref, who showed an immediate red card to a home player for an out of character incident.

Pimperne Sports Club's Priory Field was described to perfection by Cherryhopper at the end of last season - the only significant change is the folding of the cricket club - so I will simply add that it is a cracking place to spend an afternoon in the Dorset sunshine, marred only slightly by the occasional traffic noise from the adjacent A354.

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In Reply To
NCAA Div 2 @ UC Irvine. KO 15:30/16:15. Admission $7/$5. Free 4 page programme. Crowd 48.

Concordia Eagles 5 v 2 San Marcos Cougars

The 4g pitch is located inside the running track with Gazebos providing shelter for the players in the 95 degree heat. Basic set up in a very upmarket area with barriers at both entrances.
======================================== Did you go in the main stand ?

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Tonbridge Angels 0-2 Hemel Hempstead Town (National League, South)
- played at the Halcyon Wealth Longmead Stadium, Tonbridge from 3.0pm

Att – 576 (official); Entry £13; Prog £2.50; Badge - £3 and Refreshment at £1 for the soft drink.
Weather – the lovely sunny weather was out again today
Travel – A3, M25 and A21 in under two hours each way
Colours – Angels in all blue, with white trim .. Tudors in the all red

No problems finding this one .. a well laid out ground, plenty of parking and enthusiastic volunteers to help the Angels enjoy their first season in the NATS .. although an extra pound to sit in the main stand, along the west touchline .. small covered terraces each end .. with food and drink on the Clubhouse side, where Directors sat in their own perched grandstand, along from the video / tannoy tower .. players entered bottom left and the pitch was an absolute gem.

As for the game .. well another win .. although not convincing for most of the first half, once the hosts had settled, Hemel relied on their back up keeper Danny Boness to come to the rescue on more than the odd occasion .. but all change in the second when a couple of quick Liam Nash goals put the visitors in charge, the best coming from a free kick on 52 (see links).

The Tudors then got fortunate with a penalty given, the Angel kick going high and wide .. and with some solid defending and hosts frustration, the game wound down and the small contingent from Hertfordshire went home happily singing to themselves .. now second in the table but a long way to go .. Tongue

Tudors 2nd goal (ack @DeckchairPete) - https://twitter.com/DeckchairPete/status/1172892445589344256

A “Hopping Summary” by Joseph @GroundhoppingFC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJEaHhAiNPA&feature=youtu.be

Grounds = 638, Leagues done = 15 (37 to go); Games (19/20) = 102; New Grounds (19/20) = 82; Goals (19/20) = 441; Ave goals/game = 4.32; Last new ground = Bourton Rovers; Next = Tues 10th Dec 2019

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FA Vase (2nd Round Qualifying) 3 pm

Sidmouth Town 0 Cullompton Rangers 5 (H/T 0-3)

Entry - £5 adults

Programme – 20 pages (included in entry)

Crowd – not yet known

As already mentioned elsewhere on this forum, I had dropped Shefford Town & Campion from my shortlist, so that left me with several Vase ties I had been considering. Eventually I chose this one, mainly because Honiton Town were also at home as a back-up in case of public transport delays, and also because I thought that as it was going to be a sunny and warm day, a day out at the seaside, particularly outside the school holidays, was a good idea. OK, so I do realise this was a clash between two clubs from the same division in the same league, and I expect a visit from the groundhopping police in due course. However, one important factor to consider in such cases is that the visiting team will not have to travel too far and will be familiar with the route, therefore greatly reducing the risk of a late arrival causing the kick-off to be delayed or even forcing a postponement.

I travelled out on the 08.20 train from London Waterloo to Honiton, arriving there around 5-10 minutes late due to a late-running connection at Salisbury. When the train approached Gillingham earlier in the journey, I noticed that it is just about possible to see parts of Gillingham Town’s new ground through the trees in the distance. The old ground, which as many of you will know is right next to the railway line, is still intact and I was surprised to see that the floodlights were still there. I would have thought that it would be cheaper to move them to the new ground, which doesn’t have lights, than to buy new ones. So be cautious if attending a midweek game there as it might be moved to the old ground. Anyway, when I arrived at Honiton, I caught the hourly number 9 bus that runs from the station forecourt to Exeter, via Honiton. The journey takes about 30 minutes, and it is possible to see the ground’s floodlights from the bus, or at least, the top deck. As I had plenty of time to spare, I did not alight there, but continued to the town centre and got off there to have a look around. The bus station is very close to the town’s cricket ground and seafront. The cricket ground, which has a noticeable slope towards the sea, is sometimes used by Devon for their games in the Minor Counties Championship and its 50-over competition. Definitely worth ticking in my opinion if you’re a cricket hopper, and it was interesting to see a notice on the perimeter fence which stated that you may be charged £2 for seating. Hopefully you would be given a ticket as a souvenir! Even if you aren’t a cricket fan, one thing that is definitely worth seeing are the stunning cliffs, their distinctive red colour being due to the fact that they date from the Triassic era 230 million years ago and you will be left in no doubt as to why the Dorset coast has been named as a World Heritage site. (The football club, incidentally, are nicknamed ‘The Vikings’ which is a bit strange considering that most Viking influence in the UK was along the north-east coast, but I suppose a nickname of ‘the Dinosaurs’ or ‘the Fossils’ would not go down very well even if it was more historically appropriate.)

I then walked back up the hill (which is more of a gentle incline than a steep one) to the football ground, which is in Manstone Lane. I was surprised to find that it is actually a public recreation ground, rather than a fully enclosed one. There are at least three access points, and gate money was only being taken from two of them. If you don’t want a programme – which was included in the entry price - then it would be very easy to gain entry without paying. Having said this, at least the ground is not used for cricket, and the clubhouse is surprisingly spacious and well-equipped for a venue of this nature. The pitch is railed off on three sides, with a rope behind one goal although there is no obvious reason for the lack of a rail in this particular area. A pair of galvanised steel dugouts are situated on one side, and very close to the pitch on this side is a skateboard park. Further along this side is some cover for spectators. It is very unusual, consisting of a curved cantilever roof with thick steel girders embedded in a concrete base. A large yellow notice attached to it warns against vandalism and graffiti and states that CCTV is in operation. The floodlights look quite recent, and it is unusual to see these in use on a recreation ground. Overall, the facilities are reasonable for a club of this level, but the fact that it is a recreation ground might prevent the club from moving any further up the pyramid. If the club do want to advance further then the easiest way to do so might be to share the rugby ground, which is closer to the town centre. I didn’t have time to look at it but the satellite images show it to have what appears to be a seated stand and it is surrounded all around by houses, so it is probably a properly enclosed venue.

The programme consisted of a glossy pre-printed shell with a four page match-specific insert, a more sensible way of producing programmes than going online-only. The pre-printed shell includes a colour aerial photo of the ground on half of one page, so if you collect aerial images of grounds then you should get to Sidmouth before the end of this season, in case next season’s programme omits the aerial photo. The front cover does vary though from one match to the next, as this one had a photo of the FA Vase and Wembley Stadium on the top half as well as the date and opponents.

The match resulted in a surprisingly easy victory for Cullompton in what was a sporting encounter with no problems for the referee, or even any injuries. Sidmouth were poor and on the evidence of this showing, they may well be relegated from the Premier East at the end of what is their first season at this level. I was fortunate in that the referee added very little, if any, stoppage time for substitutions in the second half, so I had no problems in catching the number 9 bus that departs at 16.55 from the nearest stop to the ground back to Honiton. Upon boarding it, I noticed that a passenger who was already on the bus was holding a copy of a Sidmouth rugby programme, which had a black and white cover with the club’s emblem and name prominently displayed. Upon arrival back in Honiton, I had around 30 minutes to spare before the next train to London, so in order to pass the time, I hopped aboard a number 4 bus to Axminster that was stopping at the station, and so was able to enjoy more of the spectacular Dorset scenery for the following 20-25 minutes before boarding the London-bound train at Axminster, for a punctual trip back home.

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I think you will find that Scandinavian armies appeared in most parts of the British Isles. More regularly in the north and east obviously.

Whether they went to Sidmouth or not is a different story. A significant amount of Normans had Scandinavian heritage. You can do research by watching 1980s animation King RolloTongue

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Re: [Tim] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round

The Jockey Farm Stadium, Nellington Road


{STEP06 SECL-1} v {STEP06 CCL-1}

Adm: 7+3 badge

Att: official 148

Directions: M3/M25 to jn 5 - - shunt nr Chertsey slowed access onto the Orbital of the the M3 + awful queues back clockwise and v.slow near M23 & beyond, so we gave up on Plan A (Seaford).
Sat Nav took us down cross country from A21/A26.

Head for the tall aerial mast which is situated in the corner of the ground on Nellington Rd - club signposted as you exit village heading west on Rusthall High St.

Facilities: small bar - club 'shop' at table just in front of the bar. Some cover and a few seats in a shallow stand - all on one side.

Three semi-interesting (Wiki) facts about Rusthall Angelic - sited approx. 2 miles West of T.Wells.

i) has an interesting outcrop landmark said to resemble a Toad from certain angles
ii) the local 'dignitary' aka Lord of the Manor was Yehudi Menuhin's son
iii) in the 18th C when nearby T.Wells became more popular for it's 'waters', reportedly more affluent residents, who'd had their houses built on giant sleds, hauled them nearer their bigger neighbour. CrazyLaugh

Match: relatively insipid tussle between two pretty average sides.


1-0 free header from a corner at the start of the half
2-0 strong downward header from close range
2-1 pen quite late on - given for handball

Home side down to 10 men (sin bin?) for the last 7 or 8 mins - plenty thought he'd been Red carded but he was chatting to the subs whilst sat between the dugouts - so not dismissed as such but had the same effect. G's were not good enough to force a leveller but they did try.

Decided to avoid most of M25 roadworks/delays etc on return so came back via A264/A22/B2037 to Horley and up into Reigate then stuck to the A25 with a brief-ish Pit stop at the Pheasant (Half of Shere Drop) directly on the A25 before Buckland nr Reigate.
Headed on up the eastern side of Box Hill then across to Headley and up A24 to re-join M25 at Leatherhead.

Home by about 19:30

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Re: [youngster] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

Good to see you too Youngster and you gave a very fair summary of events on Saturday afternoon. Mason Spence sent off for grabbing one of your blokes by the throat apparently.............new bloke already in on loan to cover his absence.
My first visit to the ground for a game and I really liked the set-up, especially the area pitch side outside the bar with the trees providing some welcomed shade on a sunny afternoon. As for Sawston, still no official news - I will post as soon as I know something definite!

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You will not find many traces of Vikings along that part of the south coast if any, as has been stated they were mainly north or east, my lot came up the Nene valley into the Warwickshire/Northants border.

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Re: [LeedsPhil] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

I was also at a Manchester Saturday Morning League game but in the Premier.

AFC Middleton 2-1 Manchester North End
Venue - Manchester Creative Academy (3G)
Attendance - 9

An entertaining game on an always difficult surface to play on. The game started pretty evenly but after Middleton scored it was pretty much all one way. Would’ve been more but the North End keeper made some excellent saves and when he was beaten, the woodwork saved them twice. A good spirited game overall.

The venue is a standard 3G pitch at the back of Manchester Creative Academy in Moston.

Also attended

FA Vase 2nd Qualifying Round
Chadderton 3-2 Brigg Town
Attendance - 126
Admission - £5
Programme - £2

Another entertaining game saw 2 x FA Vase winners Brigghead to Oldham. Brigg started off strong and scored within a few minutes. They then went 2 up and I thought it was game over! Against play Chaddy pulled one back, then I had some toileting issues so missed the equaliser!

The 2nd half started as the 1st did with Brigg starting qualicky however they couldn’t make the most of it. Brigg were awarded a penalty but the Chaddy keeper got down well to save it. Chaddy then had a man sent off for a 2 footed challenge. Against all play Chaddy had a corner headed in in the dying minutes.

Andrew street is an interesting venue. There is one stand really but it’s basically a big wall which is sheltered. It runs nearly the full distance of the touchline. The central section has 3 rows of smaller walls which are painted so they are divided into seats!


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Devon Premier Cup First Round
Saltram Athletic 2-3 The Windmill (Devon) FC (1-1 H/T)
f & n - Att 20 hc

Full marks to both sets of players for producing a very entertaining cup tie in conditions that felt more like mid July than mid September. The visitors took the lead after approximately 20 minutes with a free kick from left of the penalty area which deceived everybody as it floated into the top corner. Saltram equalised 15 minutes later after the Windmill keeper was unable to hold a fierce shot & the forward had a simple tap in. Just 1 minute into the 2nd half & Saltram took the lead. This seemed to wake the visitors up & 10 minutes later they equalised. The Windmill then lay siege to the Saltram goal but the visitors hung on until the 90th minute when a defensive mistake allowed the visitors to score the winner. The Windmill deserved their victory but I had to feel sorry for the Saltram players to lose it that way right at the end.
It appears that Saltram Athletic have moved this season from the Tothill Enclosure shared with Mount Gould to the Brickfields complex. They play on a grass field behind both the athletics track & Plymouth Albion's rugby ground. There's no football furniture but it's a pleasant venue & if you climb the hill towards the athletics track you get a great view of the pitch. It's easy to do by public transport which is what I did. Take the Citybus 21 from the City Centre & it's less than 5 minutes until you get off at The Brewery Tap stop before a 5-10 minute walk to the pitch. After the game I popped into The Brewery Tap pub which is very pleasant & had a pint of Black Gold ale whilst watching the cricket.

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My initial plan was to be ending a short break in north Wales today but that had been scuppered by not feeling well but I felt well enough to get out into the autumn sunshine & where better than the Peak District.

Central Midlands League division 1 south Cromford & Wirksworth Town 2 Woodhouse Colts 1 ATT h/c 19 free/no programme

Nice setting in spacious meadows with attractive scenery & railway overlooking ground. The complex has a number of rugby pitches with large block providing changing rooms & probably refreshments but I did not venture further into the grounds to check. A much bigger/noisier crowd watching the game in progress. Our pitch was sited to left before reaching the rugby set up but beyond the initial large car/coach parking area near entrance. You continue to park near the small cottage like changing area for football which also had a café which was not open today. It is still a walk of 50/100 yards to pitchside. No facilities such as hard standing, cover, seats etc but pitch was railed. A junior pitch existed between dressing rooms & main pitch. Pitch was undulating but well grassed & played well. All nice today but rather exposed in mid winter.

The game was not a bad watch for level. An early lead for hosts who looked more dangerous throughout except perhaps in early part after break. Visitors equalised on the hour but Toby Howard got his 2nd & the winner for hosts on 67. They deserved the points overall. A good afternoon out. A bite to eat at Boat Inn in Cromford was good with visits to excellent micro's listed in GBG in Wirksworth & Duffield completing the fun. No traffic issues either way.

End 2018-19, Total Grounds 1427

New grounds 2019-20. 26

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Sep 17, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Notts C (0) 1 v Halifax (0) 0
National League
Meadow lane, Nottingham
Kick off 15:00
Adm £22
Prog £3
Att: 5,188 (646)

Notts County:
black & white shorts, black shorts, white socks

Notts County Line up
1 Slocombe
5 Turner Substituted for Rawlinson at 70' minutes
18 Graham
6 O'Brien
3 McCrory
20 Brindley Booked at 74mins
4 Rose
8 Doyle red card at 47mins
11 Boldewijn
14 Wootton Booked at 88mins
7 Thomas Booked at 28mins Substituted for Booty at 84' minutes

9 Dennis
13 Rawlinson
15 Booty
17 Bakayogo
28 Fitzsimons

orange with blue sleeves Shirts, blue shorts with orange trim, orange socks

Halifax Line up:
1 Johnson
2 Duckworth
6 Nolan
10 King Substituted for King at 67' minutes
4 Clarke Booked at 35mins
3 Binnom-Williams
14 Staunton
22 Cooper
7 Allen Booked at 83mins
11 Sho-Silva
15 McAlinden Substituted for Williams at 67' minutes Booked at 89mins

8 Earing
12 Appleyard
16 Hanson
20 King
21 Williams

1st half,
Notts C kick off towards Haydn green stand

28: (7) Thomas Booked - Notts C
35: (4) Clarke Booked - Halifax

Half time 0-0

2nd half,
Halifax kick off towards Haydn green stand

47: (8) Doyle red card Notts C
57: Goal (14) Wootton - Notts C
67: (10) King Substituted for King (20) - Halifax
67: (15) McAlinden Substituted for Williams (21) - Halifax
70: (5) Turner Substituted for Rawlinson (13) - Notts C
74: (20) Brindley Booked - Notts C
84: (7) Thomas Substituted for Booty (15) Notts C
88: (14) Wootton Booked - Notts C
89: (21) Williams Booked - Halifax

Full time Notts C 1 Halifax 0

Games: 21
New Grounds: 6
Goals: 21
0-0's: 1
Games: 13
New grounds: 4 (newest: Langwith rd, Shirebrook)
Goals: 49
0-0's: 0

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Re: [GRIFFON] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

In Reply To
You will not find many traces of Vikings along that part of the south coast if any, as has been stated they were mainly north or east, my lot came up the Nene valley into the Warwickshire/Northants border.

They must have had very small longboats. The Nene west of Northampton is just a tiny stream!
There must have been some Viking presence in the South West, as Lundy is a Norse word.


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Re: [jrev61] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

It may be a tiny steam in parts today as it has silted up over the years but years ago it was much wider and deeper. My ancestors came in the 1100s so were not the original pillagers, they came to settle and intermarried with the locals.

Lundy is not necessarily a viking word, that is only one version, it is more likely to be Celtic and there have been no Viking remains found there. It probably comes from the Welsh word Llans which means enclosures and there have definited been Celtic graves found there within an enclosed area.

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Re: [FatCat] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

Sudbury Sports were called AFC Sudbury 'A' last season and played in ESBL Division Two. They won the Suffolk Primary Cup, the Tommy Thompson Cup and were finalists in the ESBL Knock Out Cup. They were runners up in Division Two last season and were promoted to Division One. The ESBL requested that the clubs name was changed to allow a possible second promotion this season (like Stanway Pegasus last season from Division Two to the Premier Division), as this would apparently contravene an FA ruling about no more than two teams from the same club playing at step seven or above.

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Re: [bluearmybob] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

(Coventry Alliance D2)
@ Crick Sports Field, Yelvertoft Road, Crick, Northants

I needed to be home around 4:45pm and this was my best chance of getting to a new ground / venue. Crick is close to junction 18 of the M1 and it took me around 30 minutes to make the drive south.

The venue was very pleasant, neat and tidy. The pitch is roped off on two sides and there are permanent dugouts in place.

The game wasn't bad for the level - Crick scoring with a long range effort early before, before the visitors gradually got into the game and were deservedly level by half time. Despite having most of the possession in the second half Coventry didn't really trouble the home goalkeeper. They did take the lead with I think around ten minutes left. Going into the final few minutes Crick took advantage of some time wasting, breaking up field and equalised.

Overall a very pleasant afternoon.

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Re: [rambler77] Saturday 14th September or Reply Privately

SkyBet League 2

The New Lawn, Nailsworth

Forest Green Rovers 1(1) Colchester United 0(0)

Green Shirts & Shorts White Shirts / Grey Shorts

Attendance 2758 (253 Away)

Admission £20 (Standing) Programme £3

Chips w Curry Sauce £3.50

U's six game unbeaten run came to an end with a below par performance against Rovers. They had keeper Dean Gerken to thank for keeping the game close with three great saves before the break. The goal that decided the game was an own goal from captain Luke Prosser trying to cut out a cross that Gerken had covered. Blush