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windydcfc
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Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

In honour of wazzafan(Rob), I've taken on the projections and I hope I can get close to what he achieved. If anyone spots any errors can they please pm meSmile



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


derekn
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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Are they a secret?


Andy Mac
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Could you please provide a key to your colour scheme. Cheers.


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Could you please provide a key to your colour scheme. Cheers.



I’ve changed the headers on the main projection to match the colours on league pins.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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Are they a secret?



Are you having trouble seeing the links?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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In honour of wazzafan(Rob), I've taken on the projections and I hope I can get close to what he achieved. If anyone spots any errors can they please pm me Smile


Full credit to you windydcfc .. and in your and wazzafan's honour .. a copy of the first issue of the 2020/21 spreadsheet has been archived for posterity .. for never in a month of "Tudor" Sunday's .. did I ever expect to see Hemel Hempstead Town's name listed in the top flight of the Non League pyramid .. Cool

Yes a great day, in one of the on-going traditions of the Non League Matters forum .. well done for taking up the position and managing the "projections" .. although come five o'clock on Saturday, those the Hawks of Havant & Waterlooville may well of knocked us off their perch .. Tongue

Good luck over the coming months (and season's) .. we'll be with you all the way .. Wink



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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

That’s great, however what do the colours mean? E.g. the pale blue?


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That’s great, however what do the colours mean? E.g. the pale blue?



Step 1: NL-Blue
Step 2: NLN-Blue
NLS-Red
Step 3: NPL-Blue
SLC-Red
SLS-Green
ILP-Yellow
Step 4: NPLN-Blue
NPLSW-Red
NPLSE-Green
SL1W-Purple
SL1E-Orange
IL1C-Yellow
IL1N-Black
IL1S-Grey
Step 5: NL1-Blue
NWCL-Dark Red
NCEL-Green
UCLN-Purple
UCLS-Cherry Red
MFL-Yellow
HL-Grey
SSML-Dark Blue
ECL-Black
ESL-Coral
CCLN-Brown
CCLS-Aqua Marine
SCEL-Light Green
SCL-Burgundy
WXL-Orange
WNL-Dark Green
Step 6: NL2-Light Blue
NWCLN-Dark Red
NWCLS-Light Brown
NCEL1-Green
UCL1-Purple
MFL1-Yellow
SSM1-Red
HL1-Grey
ECLN-Black
ECLS-Coral
CCL1-Dark Blue
SCE1-Dark Brown
SCL1-Light Green
WX1-Burgundy
WN1-Aqua Marine
SWPE-Orange
SWPW-Dark Green



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Looks good, thanks for this Windy.

To clarify, Loughborough Uni are in light blue, because they finish high enough to be promoted but are ineligible for promotion?


Andy Mac
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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Cheers. I’m referring to the spreadsheet not the maps. Why are Loughborough Uni the pale blue.


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Cheers. I’m referring to the spreadsheet not the maps. Why are Loughborough Uni the pale blue.



They are ineligible for promotion and are currently in the promotion playoff position. I’ve reprieved a club at step 4 instead.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


derekn
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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

What links? Where are they?


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Are they a secret?



Are you having trouble seeing the links?

Links were showing earlier on and now they have disappeared again. Same happened last night.


Terrierdave
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What links? Where are they?


I can see them...I think you have to go into your settings and allow signatures, as that is where the links are. Putting them there means they should always be visible, meaning people don't have to scroll through dozens of pages and hundreds of posts trying to find them.


derekn
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Re: [Terrierdave] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Thanks Dave. I'd turned them off to block out some of the ridiculously long ones that seemed to be around! I can see the links now.


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What links? Where are they?


I can see them...I think you have to go into your settings and allow signatures, as that is where the links are. Putting them there means they should always be visible, meaning people don't have to scroll through dozens of pages and hundreds of posts trying to find them.

Have no interest in reading long winded signatures that make little or no sense so they will be staying off but answers why I could see links while not logged in. Thanks.


Andy Mac
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Re: [007Dale] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Thanks for that! Excuse my cross-post.


Sarumio
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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Hendon are the wrong colour, you;ve transferred them, not reprieved them
Mickleover Sports will be Mckleover next season
And get rid of all the AFC/FCs - they're just off putting, not sure why but they are.




Steps 1-5 look good, although has it been confirmed that the NPL at Step 4 is reverting to North and South?

Your Step 6 projections, however, in my opinion are questionable, at best. Why are you projecting so many relegations from Step 6, whilst promoting multiple clubs from the same Step 7 feeder divisions, to replace them. Has the one club per step 7 division rule been completely removed? And some of the clubs you are projecting to move up, looks incredibly optimistic, if not a little unrealistic? Grangetown, Woodthorpe Park? Yet have ignored the trio in the Northants Combo (Woodford, Thrapston and S&L Corby) who probably have a much more realistic chance of stepping back up to Step 6 next summer?


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Hendon are the wrong colour, you;ve transferred them, not reprieved them
Mickleover Sports will be Mckleover next season
And get rid of all the AFC/FCs - they're just off putting, not sure why but they are.




Steps 1-5 look good, although has it been confirmed that the NPL at Step 4 is reverting to North and South?

Your Step 6 projections, however, in my opinion are questionable, at best. Why are you projecting so many relegations from Step 6, whilst promoting multiple clubs from the same Step 7 feeder divisions, to replace them. Has the one club per step 7 division rule been completely removed? And some of the clubs you are projecting to move up, looks incredibly optimistic, if not a little unrealistic? Grangetown, Woodthorpe Park? Yet have ignored the trio in the Northants Combo (Woodford, Thrapston and S&L Corby) who probably have a much more realistic chance of stepping back up to Step 6 next summer?



Hendon are reprieved & transferred.
I contacted the FA and asked specifically about the NPL step 4. They said that the NPL1N will cover an area from north of the Mersey over to Sheffield. The 2 other leagues are the most likely outcome.
I’ve also asked the FA about relegations from step 6 & the circumstances where 2 clubs could be promoted from each step 7 league(which are the rules this season).
They said that if there’s a team to replace any promoted clubs, then they will consider relegation. The biggest issue is geography and this determine whether 2 clubs are promoted and whether any clubs are relegated.
Until the step 7 list comes out for applicants for promotion to step 6 has been released. It’s a matter of best guessing. Only then will I start reprieving step 6 clubs. We may see 2 clubs relegated from certain step 6 leagues and again this’ll be down to geography.
Woodthorpe play at Arnold Town’s ground and are ambitious. Grangetown have stated that they want to be promoted and are looking at whether this season is viable. The clubs you mentioned aren’t exactly pulling up trees and need to be in a top 5 position. I’ve contacted most of the clubs and those you mentioned are rebuilding the squads, committee’s & finances.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Oct 11, 2019, 1:09 PM)


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Woodthorpe Park Rangers are ground sharing with Basford United this season and yes they are ambitious.


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Woodthorpe Park Rangers are ground sharing with Basford United this season and yes they are ambitious.



Thanks, I’ll move them on the map



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Sarumio
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Windy - my point about Hendon is that you are showing them AND Bamber Bridge as reprieved at Step 3. Surely Bury's demise would only result in one reprieve per step?


As for multiple promotions from the same step 7 division - I think they would only do that once reprieves have been used up. For instance in the Northern League, Durham City's projected relegation is coming as the result of SIX promotions into the division (two per Step 7 feeder), and I just can't see any chance of this happening, unless the FA just seriously have it for Durham City for some reason...


By all means promote extra once reprieves have been used, but the example above doesn't't sit right with me, looks unrealistic and sticks out like a sore thumb at present.


And the Northants Combo sides 'not pulling up trees' - the three sides I mentioned are all sitting in the top five of the Northants Combo at the moment. One of those three is bound to apply.


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Windy - my point about Hendon is that you are showing them AND Bamber Bridge as reprieved at Step 3. Surely Bury's demise would only result in one reprieve per step?


As for multiple promotions from the same step 7 division - I think they would only do that once reprieves have been used up. For instance in the Northern League, Durham City's projected relegation is coming as the result of SIX promotions into the division (two per Step 7 feeder), and I just can't see any chance of this happening, unless the FA just seriously have it for Durham City for some reason...


By all means promote extra once reprieves have been used, but the example above doesn't't sit right with me, looks unrealistic and sticks out like a sore thumb at present.


And the Northants Combo sides 'not pulling up trees' - the three sides I mentioned are all sitting in the top five of the Northants Combo at the moment. One of those three is bound to apply.



I asked the FA if 2 teams could be promoted from step 7 leagues and teams relegated from step 6. They said it was possible and that’s good enough for me. I’ll look at the Northants league and ask the clubs if they are applying.
The relegation rules from step 3, has the 2 best 3rd bottom placed sides on a ppg basis staying up. So they aren’t actually reprieved, they are staying up anyway. I’ve reprieved the 3rd best 3rd bottom side because of Bury. I’m showing the initial 2 teams as being reprieved for indication purposes.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Sarumio
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Windy - my point about Hendon is that you are showing them AND Bamber Bridge as reprieved at Step 3. Surely Bury's demise would only result in one reprieve per step?


As for multiple promotions from the same step 7 division - I think they would only do that once reprieves have been used up. For instance in the Northern League, Durham City's projected relegation is coming as the result of SIX promotions into the division (two per Step 7 feeder), and I just can't see any chance of this happening, unless the FA just seriously have it for Durham City for some reason...


By all means promote extra once reprieves have been used, but the example above doesn't't sit right with me, looks unrealistic and sticks out like a sore thumb at present.


And the Northants Combo sides 'not pulling up trees' - the three sides I mentioned are all sitting in the top five of the Northants Combo at the moment. One of those three is bound to apply.



I asked the FA if 2 teams could be promoted from step 7 leagues and teams relegated from step 6. They said it was possible and that’s good enough for me. I’ll look at the Northants league and ask the clubs if they are applying.
The relegation rules from step 3, has the 2 best 3rd bottom placed sides on a ppg basis staying up. So they aren’t actually reprieved, they are staying up anyway. I’ve reprieved the 3rd best 3rd bottom side because of Bury. I’m showing the initial 2 teams as being reprieved for indication purposes.


Yes I can see, for example, if two Dorset Premier League sides were the only Wessex area clubs at Step 7 applying for promotion they might promote them both and relegate the bottom Wessex side.

My point is the extreme approach you're taking in promoting SIX clubs and relegating Durham City just simply will not happen!


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Windy - my point about Hendon is that you are showing them AND Bamber Bridge as reprieved at Step 3. Surely Bury's demise would only result in one reprieve per step?


As for multiple promotions from the same step 7 division - I think they would only do that once reprieves have been used up. For instance in the Northern League, Durham City's projected relegation is coming as the result of SIX promotions into the division (two per Step 7 feeder), and I just can't see any chance of this happening, unless the FA just seriously have it for Durham City for some reason...


By all means promote extra once reprieves have been used, but the example above doesn't't sit right with me, looks unrealistic and sticks out like a sore thumb at present.


And the Northants Combo sides 'not pulling up trees' - the three sides I mentioned are all sitting in the top five of the Northants Combo at the moment. One of those three is bound to apply.



I asked the FA if 2 teams could be promoted from step 7 leagues and teams relegated from step 6. They said it was possible and that’s good enough for me. I’ll look at the Northants league and ask the clubs if they are applying.
The relegation rules from step 3, has the 2 best 3rd bottom placed sides on a ppg basis staying up. So they aren’t actually reprieved, they are staying up anyway. I’ve reprieved the 3rd best 3rd bottom side because of Bury. I’m showing the initial 2 teams as being reprieved for indication purposes.


Yes I can see, for example, if two Dorset Premier League sides were the only Wessex area clubs at Step 7 applying for promotion they might promote them both and relegate the bottom Wessex side.

My point is the extreme approach you're taking in promoting SIX clubs and relegating Durham City just simply will not happen!



I used the northeast as an example in my emails. It’s likely that 2 or more clubs will apply from the 3 step 7 leagues. In the end I’d probably agree that they won’t relegate anyone under those particular circumstances. But they told me that it was possible. You’ve got to ask why homeless Durham should deserve another chance in the NL2 if they finish bottom. Whilst Blyth who have their own ground, might finish runners up & miss out to Newcastle BS. Even though the rules allow them to go up this season.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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You have Crawley Green's pin at Barton Rovers. They now play at the Brache, Luton.


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Thanks I’ve moved them



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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I’ve updated the spreadsheet after the weekend’s results.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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I’ve updated the spreadsheet after the weekend’s results.


I'm guessing what Sarumio is getting at, is the projection could reflect what is most likely to happen, rather than a theoretical absolute on the edges of possibility outcome.

I don't have an issue anyway, as it's all good fun until we get later in the season, and perhaps the FA give more guidance on what version of their rules they are going to apply.

Keep up the good work though!


(This post was edited by Terrierdave on Oct 14, 2019, 11:40 AM)


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I’ve updated the spreadsheet after the weekend’s results.


I'm guessing what Sarumio is getting at, is the projection could reflect what is most likely to happen, rather than a theoretical absolute on the edges of possibility outcome.

I don't have an issue anyway, as it's all good fun until we get later in the season, and perhaps the FA give more guidance on what version of their rules they are going to apply.

Keep up the good word though!



There is one potential difference on the whole of the spreadsheet & that is in the NL2. The FA aren’t going to give guidance, they never do & that’s why I asked the question. Their response was as follows:

I think that the key is, if we take multiple clubs from the Step 7 feeders, we give some back. I think the Committee would be reluctant to promote a number of Clubs without relegating some back, but that is only my view of what I think they may do!

The relegation & promotion rules between step 6 & 7 are as follows:
Step6and7
At the end of the Regular Playing Season the Clubs in the bottom two positions of each of the twenty Step 6 divisions will be liable to relegation.
All Step 7 Clubs seeking promotion to Step 6 must make application using the prescribed form direct to The Association, copied to their existing League, by 31st December in the relevant year. In order to be considered for promotion Clubs must finish in 1st position in their Step 7 league. If the Club finishing in 1st position does not wish to be promoted or fails to meet the entry criteria then the club finishing in 2nd position will be eligible for promotion. If the club in 2nd position does not seek promotion or fails to meet the entry criteria then clubs down to 5th position may be considered for promotion provided that they meet the appropriate entry criteria. Clubs finishing below 5th position may not be considered for promotion and, for this season only, more than one club may be considered from each League. Each application must be accompanied by the agreed application fee, as determined by the Committee, which is non-refundable.
No more than 40 Clubs will be promoted from Step 7. If more than 40 Clubs are eligible for promotion they will be chosen based on a points per match basis. Where the eligible Clubs count does not reach 40 in number, reprieves of Step 6 Clubs shall come into effect on a points per match basis.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

So, at least we have clarificationm that Step 6 relegation (to Step 7) will be determined by PPG rather than the dog's breakfast of the last 2 years - broadly sensible although could cause a couple of problems in the far SW.


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There are currently 15 spaces at step 6
There is 1 team too many at step 5
There are 4 new spaces created at step 2

Will they try to promote 18 teams more than they relegate or keep 18 spaces at step 6?



2020/2021 based on league positions as at 09/11/2019

Non League Projections - 2020/21 - https://docs.google.com/...fAI/edit?usp=sharing
Step 1 - https://drive.google.com/...1zLX5Ju5&usp=sharing
Step 2 - https://drive.google.com/...REZzvDIU&usp=sharing
Step 3 - https://drive.google.com/...GYGtPp8H&usp=sharing
Step 4 - https://drive.google.com/...DJBN8cC-&usp=sharing
Step 5 - https://drive.google.com/...I48iX_bL&usp=sharing
Step 6 - https://drive.google.com/...siBvGhTK&usp=sharing


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Re: [Brightside] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

I’m sure they’ll promote & relegate to suit. The NL, SWPL, NWCL & SCEL will probably have extra promotions and reprieves because of their geography.
The CMLN might see 2 promoted teams, especially if Newark Town wins it & are promoted to the UCL1. The FALC then needs a team to fill a spot in the NCEL1. So Harworth or Dinnington could be promoted too.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Oct 14, 2019, 1:08 PM)


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Terrier Dave has hit the nail on the head. But you are seemingly going to ignore it (and I guess as controller of these projections that is your right).

But I’d rather these projections were produced on, as rightly pointed out, a best guess at the likely outcome, not an extreme case in point.

No Durham City do not deserve to stay up (as things stand). But very rarely at this level do clubs get relegated due to 6 promotions from below.

PS the rules aren’t any different to last season (except the one club per step 7 league rule being abolished) and the FA astoundingly and blatantly flouted/ignored them to the fullest in the summer just gone to suit their own unknown-to-anyone-else-but-them agenda, so they mean nothing to me, I’m afraid. Any response or quoting of FA rules/procedure is categorically meaningless at this level.


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Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Discerning and less-astounded observers may find this season's NLS Regulations handy to refer to when perusing this thread: https://scefl.com/...ok-2019-2020-1.0.pdf


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Re: [Sarumio] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

In post 30, I’ve actually linked an email from the FA. Which points out that this isn’t an extreme case scenario. If you want to ignore it, then imagine Durham are still there & remove 1 of the promoted teams. Personally I think that every team that finishes bottom should be relegated unless there’s no option(which might happen in the SWPL’s).



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

It depends whether the FA are prepared to let the SWP East drift eastwards. It looks OK to transfer Millbrook +/or Torpoint West (I'm speculating that Saltash can be persuaded to take promotion - Helston will surely try not to) - that leaves the SWP East short of 3 (assuming they do promote 2) - a promotee (Exwick?) + ? Bishop Lydeard & Wellington?
Struggling to think of another team that wouldn't be out on a limb if, say, Plymouth Marjon were relegated as well (Chard would have been OK if they hadn't been demoted).


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Sorry if this has been mentioned previously Windy, but as I have only come on this thread today after a long time on others, has Wazzafan retired or is it sadder news.


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No need to worry, he's just retired.


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Come on windy, Wodson Park have gone. Better get it updated before the moaners are on at you. (Winky thing)


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Come on windy, Wodson Park have gone. Better get it updated before the moaners are on at you. (Winky thing)



They are there, they’ve moved across into the ECL1S.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

This my first time on the forum, I find your spreadsheet great.

I cannot seem to to find Winterton Rangers in the NCEL

CheersSmile


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This my first time on the forum, I find your spreadsheet great.

I cannot seem to to find Winterton Rangers in the NCEL

CheersSmile



Sorted now & spreadsheet/maps updated after midweek games



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Come on windy, Wodson Park have gone. Better get it updated before the moaners are on at you. (Winky thing)



They are there, they’ve moved across into the ECL1S.


He means, gone gone.

For what it's worth (a matter of 100 yards or so) the Brimsdown pin should be at Ware FC, not Wodson Park athletics track pitch.


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Come on windy, Wodson Park have gone. Better get it updated before the moaners are on at you. (Winky thing)



They are there, they’ve moved across into the ECL1S.


He means, gone gone.

For what it's worth (a matter of 100 yards or so) the Brimsdown pin should be at Ware FC, not Wodson Park athletics track pitch.



I noticed they’d gone on another thread and I’ve placed them in the relegation section for step 6. I’ve also moved Brimsdown, thanks for letting us know.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Projections currently suggest Wrexham will be in NLN next season, but also they are being relegated to there from NLN rather than NLP


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Strange that you are allocating Langford and Stotfold to the Combined Counties Division One.
Travelling costs will soar



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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Quick question. I see Chessington & Hook United are placed in the Southern Combination Division One, yet Westside, who share there are in the Combined Counties Division One. Might I suggest moving Eversley & California who are much further west, across to the CoCo 1 with Westside moving to the same league as their landlords? I would also switch Walton & Hersham over in place of Fleet Spurs or Cove personally.
Good to see someone is taking the time to do this again. Great work! Actually, it's about time the NLP started to give this a bit more coverage!



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Strange that you are allocating Langford and Stotfold to the Combined Counties Division One.
Travelling costs will soar



It’s about the same and not much more if they are placed in the ESL as well. Which I’ve been toying with and moving the 3 westernmost ESL clubs.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Brilliant. It would be a sad season if we didn't have this thread which is just the gift that keeps on giving!
Thanks for taking it on, will be tweeting the link regularly as it's updated

I'll sticky this one as I love these projections so much, I hope the windy will take the criticism that will undoubtedly be fired in as confirmation that we all love this thread also and have different opinions on some aspects.
Cheers... Steve


(This post was edited by steve walker on Oct 18, 2019, 10:43 PM)


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

You now have Winterton in North East Counties Premier and Division One.

Also Market Drayton in United Counties North?


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You now have Winterton in North East Counties Premier and Division One.

Also Market Drayton in United Counties North?



I need to replace NE1 Winterton with Retford(I’ll do this whenever I get home). As for the UCL North, the new league’s footprint covers Notts/Derbys/Staffs. So I’ve placed them in that league because it fits best.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Might need to revise Ampthill Town's placement at step 5 too. Certainly 4 teams better than them at the minute on current form. Their points total will decrease by 6 once full time is up to date with Wodson Park's withdrawal.


windydcfc
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All updated and up to date after weekend’s results



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

St Albans City are in the NLS relegation place but Hungerford Town (reserves?) have been put into the SL Premier South. Likely to be in same division as Kings Langley so agree with a SL Premier South placing.


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Although for ease I think making an assumption that all 2nd place Step 5 teams beat the bottom placed step 4 teams, I think it is interesting how the playoffs may look.

Step 5 - 11 second place teams (Excludes NL1, NWP, NEP)

4 promoted

Tring Athletic 2.75
Walthamstow 2.71
Plymouth Parkway 2.5
Fairford Town 2.25

7 playoffs

Colliers Wood United 2.22
Stanway Rovers 2.2
Brockenhurst 2.2
Long Eaton United 2.18
Lancing 2.18
Glebe 2.11
Holbeach United 2

Bottom placed teams

Barnstaple Town 0.55
Romford 0.5
Market Drayton Town 0.46
Pickering Town 0.33
East Grinstead Town 0.33
Ashford Town (Middlesex) 0.22
Wantage Town 0

If Bury don't re-appear at Step 5 or higher, Barnstaple Town would be reprieved and Colliers Wood United promoted

https://drive.google.com/...kUiU&usp=sharing

Something like this;

Colliers Wood United v Ashford Town (Middlesex)
Stanway Rovers v Romford
Brockenhurst v Barnstaple Town
Long Eaton United v Market Drayton Town
Lancing v East Grinstead Town
Glebe v Wantage Town
Holbeach United v Pickering Town

(This post was edited by Brightside on Oct 23, 2019, 10:08 PM)


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Brilliant. It would be a sad season if we didn't have this thread which is just the gift that keeps on giving!
Thanks for taking it on, will be tweeting the link regularly as it's updated

I'll sticky this one as I love these projections so much, I hope the windy will take the criticism that will undoubtedly be fired in as confirmation that we all love this thread also and have different opinions on some aspects.
Cheers... Steve


"The gift that keeps on giving". Exactly.


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Although for ease I think making an assumption that all 2nd place Step 5 teams beat the bottom placed step 4 teams, I think it is interesting how the playoffs may look.

Step 5 - 11 second place teams (Excludes NL1, NWP, NEP)

4 promoted

Tring Athletic 2.75
Walthamstow 2.71
Plymouth Parkway 2.5
Fairford Town 2.25

7 playoffs

Colliers Wood United 2.22
Stanway Rovers 2.2
Brockenhurst 2.2
Long Eaton United 2.18
Lancing 2.18
Glebe 2.11
Holbeach United 2

Bottom placed teams

Barnstaple Town 0.55
Romford 0.5
Market Drayton Town 0.46
Pickering Town 0.33
East Grinstead Town 0.33
Ashford Town (Middlesex) 0.22
Wantage Town 0

If Bury don't re-appear at Step 5 or higher, Barnstaple Town would be reprieved and Colliers Wood United promoted

https://drive.google.com/...kUiU&usp=sharing

Something like this;

Colliers Wood United v Ashford Town (Middlesex)
Stanway Rovers v Romford
Brockenhurst v Barnstaple Town
Long Eaton United v Market Drayton Town
Lancing v East Grinstead Town
Glebe v Wantage Town
Holbeach United v Pickering Town



The step 4 teams have home advantage in the playoffs. Also Holbeach aren’t 2nd, Loughborough Uni are and are ineligible for promotion. The FA won’t allow the next in-line to enter the playoffs. So it’ll be down to the league committees discretion. I’m taking it the the best ppg team will be reprieved at step 4. Hopefully this won’t happen and a team will end up overtaking Uni.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Brightside
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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Take out Colliers Wood, Holbeach, Barnstaple and Romford and that'd leave you the 10 teams for the playoffs.

Switch the home/away order

Something like this

Glebe v Ashford Town (Middlesex)
Stanway Rovers v Market Drayton Town
Brockenhurst v Wantage Town
Long Eaton United v Pickering Town
Lancing v East Grinstead Town

A lot less regional but as expected



2020/2021 based on league positions as at 09/11/2019

Non League Projections - 2020/21 - https://docs.google.com/...fAI/edit?usp=sharing
Step 1 - https://drive.google.com/...1zLX5Ju5&usp=sharing
Step 2 - https://drive.google.com/...REZzvDIU&usp=sharing
Step 3 - https://drive.google.com/...GYGtPp8H&usp=sharing
Step 4 - https://drive.google.com/...DJBN8cC-&usp=sharing
Step 5 - https://drive.google.com/...I48iX_bL&usp=sharing
Step 6 - https://drive.google.com/...siBvGhTK&usp=sharing


Mister TwoU
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The step 4 teams have home advantage in the playoffs. Also Holbeach aren’t 2nd, Loughborough Uni are and are ineligible for promotion. The FA won’t allow the next in-line to enter the playoffs. So it’ll be down to the league committees discretion. I’m taking it the the best ppg team will be reprieved at step 4. Hopefully this won’t happen and a team will end up overtaking Uni.


You know this for sure? I could have sworn that down to 3rd.-place would be allowed this season.



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Excellent work in keeping this spreadsheet going Windy. Thank you to Wazzafan for his years of doing this.

I've updated my promotion / relegation spreadsheet which sits quite nicely alongside the projections one. It will updated every 6 weeks (when I have a week of night shifts) until we get towards April and onwards.

http://bit.ly/nonleague1920



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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The step 4 teams have home advantage in the playoffs. Also Holbeach aren’t 2nd, Loughborough Uni are and are ineligible for promotion. The FA won’t allow the next in-line to enter the playoffs. So it’ll be down to the league committees discretion. I’m taking it the the best ppg team will be reprieved at step 4. Hopefully this won’t happen and a team will end up overtaking Uni.


You know this for sure? I could have sworn that down to 3rd.-place would be allowed this season.



I asked the FA this specific question and the answer was as follows:
As you correctly say, there is a lot of football to be played, but the Club would be ineligible for promotion if deemed to be a Further Education establishment and not a separate club.

I assume it would lead to a reprieve at Step 4 on the basis that there is no provision for the 3rd placed club in the United Counties League to be promoted, but this would be a decision for the two Committees to make.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Take out Colliers Wood, Holbeach, Barnstaple and Romford and that'd leave you the 10 teams for the playoffs.

Switch the home/away order

Something like this

Glebe v Ashford Town (Middlesex)
Stanway Rovers v Market Drayton Town
Brockenhurst v Wantage Town
Long Eaton United v Pickering Town
Lancing v East Grinstead Town

A lot less regional but as expected

It was only 6 years ago that Long Eaton and Pickering were in the same league



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I see Loughborough University won at Durham in the BUCS League the other day. Surely they have a claim that this is the educational side of the club and the team that are in the UCL are run separately, purely as a football entity. No doubt that many players feature for them both but it may be a way round the promotion ban if it indeed exists.


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I see Loughborough University won at Durham in the BUCS League the other day. Surely they have a claim that this is the educational side of the club and the team that are in the UCL are run separately, purely as a football entity. No doubt that many players feature for them both but it may be a way round the promotion ban if it indeed exists.

The football club would need to become a separate entity from the university, and register as a Limited Company.

There are criteria Loughborough Athletic Union have in order to become a member of the football club. First off, you have to be a member of the Student Union and enrolled at Loughborough University or Loughborough College.

It's a nice football setup they have at the Uni. The stadium is definitely of the standard required to play higher, even if it is a little... sterile?
It's just unfortunate that other students at the university don't attend matches. I've looked at their attendance against us last season and it seems wildly out. Officially it was 207 but I can't remember seeing half that many in the stand and terraces, and that's including a couple of dozen referees who had a meeting there that night.



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I see Loughborough University won at Durham in the BUCS League the other day. Surely they have a claim that this is the educational side of the club and the team that are in the UCL are run separately, purely as a football entity. No doubt that many players feature for them both but it may be a way round the promotion ban if it indeed exists.

The football club would need to become a separate entity from the university, and register as a Limited Company.

There are criteria Loughborough Athletic Union have in order to become a member of the football club. First off, you have to be a member of the Student Union and enrolled at Loughborough University or Loughborough College.

It's a nice football setup they have at the Uni. The stadium is definitely of the standard required to play higher, even if it is a little... sterile?
It's just unfortunate that other students at the university don't attend matches. I've looked at their attendance against us last season and it seems wildly out. Officially it was 207 but I can't remember seeing half that many in the stand and terraces, and that's including a couple of dozen referees who had a meeting there that night.

Clears up quite a lot so thanks for that one mate, as for the attendances they are currently the best they ever have been for the club so a real shame they can't progress to level the stadium deserves even though it probably wasn't built especially for them it should be hosting the game at a higher level than step 5.


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Updated after last weekend’s results



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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It probably makes sense to shift Combined Counties Div One Woodley United (Reading) to play in the Hellenic Division One. A swap with Langley (who currently ground-share at Holyport near Maidenhead) makes sense.

Love this.

I know the Combined Counties area is getting a new division, is the North/South split down to anything in particular (anything concrete) or is it just speculation?


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It probably makes sense to shift Combined Counties Div One Woodley United (Reading) to play in the Hellenic Division One. A swap with Langley (who currently ground-share at Holyport near Maidenhead) makes sense.

Love this.

I know the Combined Counties area is getting a new division, is the North/South split down to anything in particular (anything concrete) or is it just speculation



I’ve moved a few clubs around and sorted that issue out.
The FA released maps of step 1-6 for season 2020/21, which the leagues had to apply to run. It was in the Nonleague Paper and I’ve tried to keep close to what they showed. I’m sure they’ll end up slightly different & there’ll be zero relegations in some step 6 leagues and 2 in other’s. Just so the maps fit better and geographic issues will determine this.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Thanks for taking the effort to take this on - much appreciated. When was the last update done in terms of results & league positions?


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Thanks for taking the effort to take this on - much appreciated. When was the last update done in terms of results & league positions?



Thanks for support. I last updated the spreadsheet, after last weeks midweek games. I’ll probably update it again tonight.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Just wondered as the some step 5 promotions look odd - eg:Yorkshire Ams aren't a promo spot - or do I need to refresh something? fi so, how do I do that?


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Just wondered as the some step 5 promotions look odd - eg:Yorkshire Ams aren't a promo spot - or do I need to refresh something? fi so, how do I do that?



The promotions are determined on a ppg basis & not league positions. So a team could potentially be in the bottom half of a league but won every game because they are still in the FA Vase/Trophy or Cup.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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ah, ok - I get it. Cheers.


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ah, ok - I get it. Cheers.



The spreadsheet and maps are now updated after the weekends results.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Spreadsheet & maps updated after this weekend’s results



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Whats happened to Leicester Road on your maps? Should they get promoted I sincerely hope your projections are wrong. Brocton, Lichfield and Uttoxeter into the UCL and LR into the MFL with visits to Oswestery when Lutterworth and the Leicester teams are 10 miles away or less?

I know they're only projections but I do hope they're wrong..Frown


(This post was edited by Roader on Nov 11, 2019, 9:22 AM)


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Whats happened to Leicester Road on your maps? Should they get promoted I sincerely hope your projections are wrong. Brocton, Lichfield and Uttoxeter into the UCL and LR into the MFL with visits to Oswestery when Lutterworth and the Leicester teams are 10 miles away or less?

I know they're only projections but I do hope they're wrong..Frown



The UCL won the right to run the new step 5 league. This league will cover the north-central Midland (Staffs, Derbys, Notts, potentially north Leics & a few Lincs clubs). The FA released a map showing the areas these leagues will cover & which leagues had won the rights to run those leagues.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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So the Leicestershire clubs get scattered in all directions yet again. For a county in the centre of the country it’s a joke.


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Surely that is likely to happen in the centre of the country,
If it happened in say Cornwall, that would be a joke!


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Being in Nottinghamshire, it's hard to see any advantage to the reorganisation.


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Being in Nottinghamshire, it's hard to see any advantage to the reorganisation.



The A50-A52 corridor, will make it easy for clubs to travel across the region. If the FA created the new step 5 league in the East Midlands/East Coastal region. The road network in Lincolnshire are pretty poor and there’s very few clubs in the region. If you look at the current situation in the north & Midlands. We have the NL, NCEL & UCL on the Eastern side of the country. With only the NWCL & MFL in the West.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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It was similar last season in North Essex and Suffolk with the additional league at Step 3. It meant Essex & Suffolk clubs were in different divisions but it cut down on overall travelling across Step 3.

Travel will reduce at Step 5 next season overall but increase at Step 6.
Groups of individual clubs may find the opposite is true.



2020/2021 based on league positions as at 09/11/2019

Non League Projections - 2020/21 - https://docs.google.com/...fAI/edit?usp=sharing
Step 1 - https://drive.google.com/...1zLX5Ju5&usp=sharing
Step 2 - https://drive.google.com/...REZzvDIU&usp=sharing
Step 3 - https://drive.google.com/...GYGtPp8H&usp=sharing
Step 4 - https://drive.google.com/...DJBN8cC-&usp=sharing
Step 5 - https://drive.google.com/...I48iX_bL&usp=sharing
Step 6 - https://drive.google.com/...siBvGhTK&usp=sharing


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The Step 6 EMCL has a relatively small footprint. It looks as though the 'new' UCL 1 which will involve most of the clubs (14 of 19) clubs from this season's EMCL will probably stretch further north, south and east and as far west, and presumably have a slightly lower standard of football with the loss of the top 4 (Heanor, Dunkirk, Sherwood and Eastwood?). I think the oversized Step 5 MFL, with Newark Flowserve, Selston etc travelling to Haughmond and vice-versa could have been avoided more easily without the two UCL Premier divisions. I hope they think seriously about how they arrange their league cup.


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Spreadsheet & Maps updated, after this weekend’s games



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Wakefield play at the Dorothy Hyman Stadium in Cudworth.


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Wakefield play at the Dorothy Hyman Stadium in Cudworth.



Thanks Kivo, all sorted now



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Re: [windydcfc] Non League Projections 2020/21 or Reply Privately

Very Good work (as always) but in list as at 20/11, you now have Portland United promoted to SLW (step 4) but also still in Wessex Prem (step 5) as well.


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Very Good work (as always) but in list as at 20/11, you now have Portland United promoted to SLW (step 4) but also still in Wessex Prem (step 5) as well.



Thanks for that & now sorted



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.



I could make several versions of each step, but it takes a considerable amount of my time. So I stick with what I think will be the most likely outcome. What I can’t second guess, is the relegations from step 6 & whether 2 teams will be promoted from any step 7 league.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Spreadsheet & maps updated after weekend’s results



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.



Andyandy,

Is this the one, you were on about, there was one last season for step 3.

At the moment step 3 is unbalanced and not fair to all, and this makes step 2, unbalanced.

1. Northern league, 1 Central league, 2 Southern leagues.

This to make step 3 equal to all, 1 Northern league, 2 Central leagues, 1 Southern league.

Windydcfc, I love your maps, think there cool and ace.


The Northern league. for step 3.

1. Ashton United
2. Atherton Collieries
3. Bamber Bridge
4. Basford United
5. Belper
6. Blyth Spartans
7. Bradford Park Avenue
8. Curzon Ashton
9. FC United Of Manchester
10. Hyde United
11. Leek
12. Marske United
13. Matlock Town
14. Morpeth
15. Nantwich Town
16. Radcliffe
17. Scarborough Athletic
18. Stalybridge Celtic
19. Warrington Town
20. Whitby Town
21. Witton Albion
22. Workington






The West Central league for step 3.

1. Alvechurch
2. Blackfield & Langley
3. Bromsgrove Sporting
4. Coalville
5. Halesowen Town
6. Hednesford Town
7. Hungerford
8. Merthyr Town
9. Mickleover Sports
10. Nuneaton Boro
11. Paulton Rovers
12. Poole Town
13. Rushall Olympic
14. Salisbury
15. Stourbridge
16. Stratford
17. Swindon Supermarine
18. Thatcham
19. Taunton
20. Truro City
21. Weston-Super-Mare
22. Wimborne





The East Central league for step 3.

1. AFC Diamonds
2. Barwell
3. Biggleswade Town
4. Bishop's Stortford
5. Bury
6. Chesthunt
7. Corby
8. Enfield
9. Grantham
10. Haringey Boro
11. Hendon
12. Hitchin Town
13. Kings Langley
14. Lowestoft Town
15. Maldon & Tiptree
16. Needham Market
17. Peterborough Sports
18. Potters Bar Town
19. Royston Town
20. St Albans
21. Ware
22. Wingate & Finchley








The Isthmian/Southern league for step 3.

1. Bognor Regis
2. Bowers & Pitsea
3. Carshalton Athletic
4. Cray Wanderers
5. Cray Valley PM
6. East Thurrock
7. Farnborough
8. Gosport Boro
9. Hanwell
10. Harrow Boro
11. Hartley Wintney
12. Hastings United
13. Hayes & Yeading
14. Horsham
15. Kingstonian
16. Leatherhead
17. Lewes
18. Margate
19. Met Police
20. Tonbridge Angels
21. Walton Casuals
22. Worthing


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Its the northern premier league not the northern league.


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.



Andyandy,

Is this the one, you were on about, there was one last season for step 3.

At the moment step 3 is unbalanced and not fair to all, and this makes step 2, unbalanced.

1. Northern league, 1 Central league, 2 Southern leagues.

This to make step 3 equal to all, 1 Northern league, 2 Central leagues, 1 Southern league.

Windydcfc, I love your maps, think there cool and ace.


The Northern league. for step 3.

1. Ashton United
2. Atherton Collieries
3. Bamber Bridge
4. Basford United
5. Belper
6. Blyth Spartans
7. Bradford Park Avenue
8. Curzon Ashton
9. FC United Of Manchester
10. Hyde United
11. Leek
12. Marske United
13. Matlock Town
14. Morpeth
15. Nantwich Town
16. Radcliffe
17. Scarborough Athletic
18. Stalybridge Celtic
19. Warrington Town
20. Whitby Town
21. Witton Albion
22. Workington






The West Central league for step 3.

1. Alvechurch
2. Blackfield & Langley
3. Bromsgrove Sporting
4. Coalville
5. Halesowen Town
6. Hednesford Town
7. Hungerford
8. Merthyr Town
9. Mickleover Sports
10. Nuneaton Boro
11. Paulton Rovers
12. Poole Town
13. Rushall Olympic
14. Salisbury
15. Stourbridge
16. Stratford
17. Swindon Supermarine
18. Thatcham
19. Taunton
20. Truro City
21. Weston-Super-Mare
22. Wimborne





The East Central league for step 3.

1. AFC Diamonds
2. Barwell
3. Biggleswade Town
4. Bishop's Stortford
5. Bury
6. Chesthunt
7. Corby
8. Enfield
9. Grantham
10. Haringey Boro
11. Hendon
12. Hitchin Town
13. Kings Langley
14. Lowestoft Town
15. Maldon & Tiptree
16. Needham Market
17. Peterborough Sports
18. Potters Bar Town
19. Royston Town
20. St Albans
21. Ware
22. Wingate & Finchley








The Isthmian/Southern league for step 3.

1. Bognor Regis
2. Bowers & Pitsea
3. Carshalton Athletic
4. Cray Wanderers
5. Cray Valley PM
6. East Thurrock
7. Farnborough
8. Gosport Boro
9. Hanwell
10. Harrow Boro
11. Hartley Wintney
12. Hastings United
13. Hayes & Yeading
14. Horsham
15. Kingstonian
16. Leatherhead
17. Lewes
18. Margate
19. Met Police
20. Tonbridge Angels
21. Walton Casuals
22. Worthing


You can cut the 88 clubs at step 3 anyway you like, but as long as it’s the same 88 clubs no arrangement changes how balanced or equal it is in relation to step 2.

I think there’s an argument for this split on travel grounds but having Truro in a “central” league stretches credulity.


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I think there’s an argument for this split on travel grounds but having Truro in a “central” league stretches credulity.


Not really, Truro to the Birmingham clubs is about 25>30 miles less than to the West London sides.



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I think there’s an argument for this split on travel grounds but having Truro in a “central” league stretches credulity.


Not really, Truro to the Birmingham clubs is about 25>30 miles less than to the West London sides.


That doesn’t mean calling a league containing Truro “central” any more credible.


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I believe that the current split at step 3, allows the FA to address the southwards drift at step 2. I doubt the FA are going to do any other split.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.



Andyandy,

Is this the one, you were on about, there was one last season for step 3.

At the moment step 3 is unbalanced and not fair to all, and this makes step 2, unbalanced.

1. Northern league, 1 Central league, 2 Southern leagues.

This to make step 3 equal to all, 1 Northern league, 2 Central leagues, 1 Southern league.

Windydcfc, I love your maps, think there cool and ace.


The Northern league. for step 3.

1. Ashton United
2. Atherton Collieries
3. Bamber Bridge
4. Basford United
5. Belper
6. Blyth Spartans
7. Bradford Park Avenue
8. Curzon Ashton
9. FC United Of Manchester
10. Hyde United
11. Leek
12. Marske United
13. Matlock Town
14. Morpeth
15. Nantwich Town
16. Radcliffe
17. Scarborough Athletic
18. Stalybridge Celtic
19. Warrington Town
20. Whitby Town
21. Witton Albion
22. Workington






The West Central league for step 3.

1. Alvechurch
2. Blackfield & Langley
3. Bromsgrove Sporting
4. Coalville
5. Halesowen Town
6. Hednesford Town
7. Hungerford
8. Merthyr Town
9. Mickleover Sports
10. Nuneaton Boro
11. Paulton Rovers
12. Poole Town
13. Rushall Olympic
14. Salisbury
15. Stourbridge
16. Stratford
17. Swindon Supermarine
18. Thatcham
19. Taunton
20. Truro City
21. Weston-Super-Mare
22. Wimborne





The East Central league for step 3.

1. AFC Diamonds
2. Barwell
3. Biggleswade Town
4. Bishop's Stortford
5. Bury
6. Chesthunt
7. Corby
8. Enfield
9. Grantham
10. Haringey Boro
11. Hendon
12. Hitchin Town
13. Kings Langley
14. Lowestoft Town
15. Maldon & Tiptree
16. Needham Market
17. Peterborough Sports
18. Potters Bar Town
19. Royston Town
20. St Albans
21. Ware
22. Wingate & Finchley








The Isthmian/Southern league for step 3.

1. Bognor Regis
2. Bowers & Pitsea
3. Carshalton Athletic
4. Cray Wanderers
5. Cray Valley PM
6. East Thurrock
7. Farnborough
8. Gosport Boro
9. Hanwell
10. Harrow Boro
11. Hartley Wintney
12. Hastings United
13. Hayes & Yeading
14. Horsham
15. Kingstonian
16. Leatherhead
17. Lewes
18. Margate
19. Met Police
20. Tonbridge Angels
21. Walton Casuals
22. Worthing



Yes Oliver that's the one I'm on about thanks I'm surprised you've have same slack over it as this mentioned last season about having 2 Midland leagues in step 3 with generally a good response to it I suppose last season a few people brought it up. These idiots should be ashamed of themselves (for all winching and whining over making 2 Midland leagues in step 3) Instead of saying and more importantly stating something positive and true like thank you Oliver for that decent reply wanting to improve step 3 by making it 2 Central leagues in it. Instead all these idiots could do is winch and whine whine I guess it makes these idiots one of them.


Cris
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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.



Andyandy,

Is this the one, you were on about, there was one last season for step 3.

At the moment step 3 is unbalanced and not fair to all, and this makes step 2, unbalanced.

1. Northern league, 1 Central league, 2 Southern leagues.

This to make step 3 equal to all, 1 Northern league, 2 Central leagues, 1 Southern league.

Windydcfc, I love your maps, think there cool and ace.


The Northern league. for step 3.

1. Ashton United
2. Atherton Collieries
3. Bamber Bridge
4. Basford United
5. Belper
6. Blyth Spartans
7. Bradford Park Avenue
8. Curzon Ashton
9. FC United Of Manchester
10. Hyde United
11. Leek
12. Marske United
13. Matlock Town
14. Morpeth
15. Nantwich Town
16. Radcliffe
17. Scarborough Athletic
18. Stalybridge Celtic
19. Warrington Town
20. Whitby Town
21. Witton Albion
22. Workington






The West Central league for step 3.

1. Alvechurch
2. Blackfield & Langley
3. Bromsgrove Sporting
4. Coalville
5. Halesowen Town
6. Hednesford Town
7. Hungerford
8. Merthyr Town
9. Mickleover Sports
10. Nuneaton Boro
11. Paulton Rovers
12. Poole Town
13. Rushall Olympic
14. Salisbury
15. Stourbridge
16. Stratford
17. Swindon Supermarine
18. Thatcham
19. Taunton
20. Truro City
21. Weston-Super-Mare
22. Wimborne





The East Central league for step 3.

1. AFC Diamonds
2. Barwell
3. Biggleswade Town
4. Bishop's Stortford
5. Bury
6. Chesthunt
7. Corby
8. Enfield
9. Grantham
10. Haringey Boro
11. Hendon
12. Hitchin Town
13. Kings Langley
14. Lowestoft Town
15. Maldon & Tiptree
16. Needham Market
17. Peterborough Sports
18. Potters Bar Town
19. Royston Town
20. St Albans
21. Ware
22. Wingate & Finchley








The Isthmian/Southern league for step 3.

1. Bognor Regis
2. Bowers & Pitsea
3. Carshalton Athletic
4. Cray Wanderers
5. Cray Valley PM
6. East Thurrock
7. Farnborough
8. Gosport Boro
9. Hanwell
10. Harrow Boro
11. Hartley Wintney
12. Hastings United
13. Hayes & Yeading
14. Horsham
15. Kingstonian
16. Leatherhead
17. Lewes
18. Margate
19. Met Police
20. Tonbridge Angels
21. Walton Casuals
22. Worthing



Yes Oliver that's the one I'm on about thanks I'm surprised you've have same slack over it as this mentioned last season about having 2 Midland leagues in step 3 with generally a good response to it I suppose last season a few people brought it up. These idiots should be ashamed of themselves (for all winching and whining over making 2 Midland leagues in step 3) Instead of saying and more importantly stating something positive and true like thank you Oliver for that decent reply wanting to improve step 3 by making it 2 Central leagues in it. Instead all these idiots could do is winch and whine whine I guess it makes these idiots one of them.


There aren’t two midland league here though are there? Taking the same clubs and rearranging them doesn’t mean there are suddenly enough clubs to make two midland division. This arrangement has some merit but don’t pretend it is something it quite obviously isn’t. And calling someone an idiot for pointing out the Truro (plus Blackfield & Langley, Hungerford, Paulton Rovers, Poole Town, Salisbury, Swindon Supermarine, Thatcham, Taunton, Weston-Super-Mare and Wimborne) aren’t in the Midlands says more about you than anyone else.


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.


https://drive.google.com/...92AU&usp=sharing

Something like this? (As of 09/11/2019)


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Updated spreadsheet & maps after this weekends results



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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I think its obvious that all of Bristol teams will be heading Hellenic in the next couple of years.

But could Bridport stay Western to make the move easier for the FA, as the maps show its mighty close that boundary in Bristol?


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I think its obvious that all of Bristol teams will be heading Hellenic in the next couple of years.

But could Bridport stay Western to make the move easier for the FA, as the maps show its mighty close that boundary in Bristol?



Unfortunately Bridport are one of those clubs that are out on a limb. Similar to the Cumbrian teams, Bridlington or Skegness. Realistically you could only swap them with another Western League side.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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I think its obvious that all of Bristol teams will be heading Hellenic in the next couple of years.

But could Bridport stay Western to make the move easier for the FA, as the maps show its mighty close that boundary in Bristol?


I don't think that it will be all the Bristol team going to the Hellenic - only those registered in Gloucestershire. A number of Bristol teams are registered in Somerset. The dividing line being the 1908 county boundaries. However, I have heard rumours that the Wiltshire clubs are also going to the Hellenic.


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I think its obvious that all of Bristol teams will be heading Hellenic in the next couple of years.

But could Bridport stay Western to make the move easier for the FA, as the maps show its mighty close that boundary in Bristol?


I don't think that it will be all the Bristol team going to the Hellenic - only those registered in Gloucestershire. A number of Bristol teams are registered in Somerset. The dividing line being the 1908 county boundaries. However, I have heard rumours that the Wiltshire clubs are also going to the Hellenic.


Warminster and Westbury may fit better in Wessex? Warminster have been there before?

The rest of the Wiltshire sides (Calne, Corsham, Devizes and Bradford Town if they don't go up) seem to be torn between the Hellenic and Western - but I can't see as they now have any long term future in the Western as it moves back down the Peninsula away from Dorset, Glos and Wiltshire.

Just an option...


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.


Something like this? (As of 09/11/2019)


https://docs.google.com/...GYE/edit?usp=sharing

I have used the same step 3 and step 4 projections from 09/11/2019 to create the following

Step 3 - Split Northern Prem, Western League from West Midlands to South West, Eastern League & Isthmian League (South East)
https://drive.google.com/...92AU&usp=sharing

Step 4 - Split as per above so teams would have a more simple path

https://drive.google.com/...3-Uq&usp=sharing

Step 4 - Split as per the projected step 3 with each having 2 division 1s (Northern Prem, Central, Southern, Isthmian)

https://drive.google.com/...AcBv&usp=sharing

Step 3 (for reference)

https://drive.google.com/...Pp8H&usp=sharing

Step 4 (for reference)

https://drive.google.com/...8cC-&usp=sharing

English geography isn't perfect so there would always be winners and losers.


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Don't know if this is possible, I remember last season a projection bit for step 3, in which it had 2 central leagues in it. (One East and 1 west) for step 3, hope you understand that.

Just wondering if it could be done this season, thought it was cool, awesome that projection last season, thanks.


Something like this? (As of 09/11/2019)


https://docs.google.com/...GYE/edit?usp=sharing

I have used the same step 3 and step 4 projections from 09/11/2019 to create the following

Step 3 - Split Northern Prem, Western League from West Midlands to South West, Eastern League & Isthmian League (South East)
https://drive.google.com/...92AU&usp=sharing

Step 4 - Split as per above so teams would have a more simple path

https://drive.google.com/...3-Uq&usp=sharing

Step 4 - Split as per the projected step 3 with each having 2 division 1s (Northern Prem, Central, Southern, Isthmian)

https://drive.google.com/...AcBv&usp=sharing

Step 3 (for reference)

https://drive.google.com/...Pp8H&usp=sharing

Step 4 (for reference)

https://drive.google.com/...8cC-&usp=sharing

English geography isn't perfect so there would always be winners and losers.


That final version is SO much better.



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