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The Pyramid a slight change for the better this close season

 



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Looking at various movements this close season it does appear that in a very small way the Pyramid might be heading in the right direction, the Isthmian League appears now to be taking the East Anglian clubs (Soham at last being moved over) thus enlarging it's footprint, a couple of 200 plus mile journies in the Premier Division now, more than in the NPL Premier !..

From step 5 down things may be moving very slowly in the right direction. Both the Essex Senior and Kent League appear to have gained a few clubs making them number wise a little better, the step 6 division in Kent though not containing much quality in ground terms has at least been put in place. We await to se what happens. Talk is Essex are also going to introduce a step 6 league / division, not sure if there is any movement.

The reformed Windsor have been put in the CoCo which is better than putting them in the Hellenic, likewise South Kilburn have moved to the CoCo from the Hellenic and rumours were Rayners Lane made noises but did not move. The CoCO have lost Chobham, who may have been in a position never to be able to get floodlits, at least the ground has not been lost and is in the Surrey Western Intermediate League.

The Hellenic League has lost one non floodlit club (Launton) but has gained five clubs who will have lights by the start of the season or soon afterwards, four newcomers plus Winterbourne. On the down side OWT have returned home (which is good) though they will now have to restart their fight to get lights at there ground. At step 7 the Hellenic / Western area have gained another floodlit club in Bristol Academy / Filton Town who we presume may enter step 6 in the near future.

Hopefully by this time next year both the CoCo and Hellenic will be fully floodlit at step 6, with the help of just two divisions and a westward movement of the CoCo boundary. And a number of step 7 leagues to the west of London will get the unlit clubs to bolster their numbers.

Step 7 (though many leagues currently not now being step 7) looks more tidy inplaces. The CML has gone north / south which gives a more logical path into the step 6 East Mids and NCE divisions. The West Mids appears to have gone for a regional split at division one level, and with Pegasus moving across it seems that at last Herefordshire may have a league to progress through.

The Mid Comb has got rid of all it's reserve sides which means there is one less step for clubs to go through to progress, did clubs from reasonable town / local leagues really want to travel 50 or so miles to play games at step 9 ?.

SML2 appears to have become a north / mid Bucks and west Beds League on par with fellow step 7 leagues in the area, the Herts,Co Beds Co and Middlesex League. Even below the SML2, the North Bucks and Aylesbury Leagues seem to have found a niche as step 8 leagues cover the SML2, recent movements seem to show more defined footprints to those leagues. Very low in the Pyramid is the transfer of Tetsworth from the Oxford City F.A. to the Aylesbury League, in the last three seasons a number of clubs on the the Oxon / Bucks borders have moved leaving a dividing line east - west through Thame, with all but one of the Aylesbury clubs is east of the line and all but one of the Oxon league clubs is west of the line.

On the downside there still seems to be little movement in Yorkshire relating what leagues are actually step 7, does it matter if there are 4,5 or even 6 ?.

No movement on the NWC and NCE, will they ever go back to pre 1982 areas ?. It would help and make 16 leagues at step 5.

The Midland Alliance seems to be getting larger in size both in terms of both clubs and footprint, and it's near neighbour the UCL struggles for clubs, think there is a very easy answer to that one - Leicestershire moved to UCL ?.


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''Both the Essex Senior and Kent League appear to have gained a few clubs making them number wise a little better,''

Kent League numbers not increased this season still stay at 16.


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"Both the Essex Senior and Kent League appear to have gained a few clubs making them number wise a little better,"


The ESL only gained one club, Sporting Bengal Utd, from the Kent League.

Actually although Kent "only" maintained numbers, they lost two clubs (Hythe promoted, S.B.U. transferred) and gained two clubs (Canterbury City & Cray Valley PM both promoted from Kent County).



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"The Midland Alliance seems to be getting larger in size both in terms of both clubs and footprint, and it's near neighbour the UCL struggles for clubs, think there is a very easy answer to that one - Leicestershire moved to UCL ?."

Would make sense. Wasn't the Midland Alliance originally a West Midlands-based league, made up of teams from the West Midlands Regional and Midland Combination leagues?


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Would make sense. Wasn't the Midland Alliance originally a West Midlands-based league, made up of teams from the West Midlands Regional and Midland Combination leagues


Spot on. The theory was to have one strong West Midland candidate for promotion to the Southern League when the SL also had 7 other feeder leagues, all fighting for only 4 places each season.




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"The Midland Alliance seems to be getting larger in size both in terms of both clubs and footprint, and it's near neighbour the UCL struggles for clubs, think there is a very easy answer to that one - Leicestershire moved to UCL ?."

Would make sense. Wasn't the Midland Alliance originally a West Midlands-based league, made up of teams from the West Midlands Regional and Midland Combination leagues?


No it wasnt because my team Shepshed were in it.We are definately East Midlands.


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"The Midland Alliance seems to be getting larger in size both in terms of both clubs and footprint, and it's near neighbour the UCL struggles for clubs, think there is a very easy answer to that one - Leicestershire moved to UCL ?."

Would make sense. Wasn't the Midland Alliance originally a West Midlands-based league, made up of teams from the West Midlands Regional and Midland Combination leagues?


No it wasnt because my team Shepshed were in it.We are definately East Midlands.


League boundaries expand and contract. After all when Boston United became a founder member of the Alliance Premier League (now Football Conference) they were members of the West Midlands (Regional) League.



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League boundaries expand and contract. After all when Boston United became a founder member of the Alliance Premier League (now Football Conference) they were members of the West Midlands (Regional) League.



I think not. They had been in the distant past but the APL took them from the NPL


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League boundaries expand and contract. After all when Boston United became a founder member of the Alliance Premier League (now Football Conference) they were members of the West Midlands (Regional) League.



I think not. They had been in the distant past but the APL took them from the NPL


You are absolutely correct, it was as founder members of the NPL that they left the WMRL. Sorry for my error!



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Were Shepshed founder members of the MFA?

I'm pretty sure the principle of the league was to be a West Midlands-based feeder in to the Southern League. Leicestershire clubs, like some from Derbyshire and Staffordshire, tendered to switch between North/South frequently.


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Yes they were.

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I could be wrong but I'm sure that Leicestershire clubs had generally playing in the southern tier of non-league football, so it would be a fair assumption that Shepshed would have been placed in MFA at the time. It would either that or NCEL.


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League boundaries expand and contract. After all when Boston United became a founder member of the Alliance Premier League (now Football Conference) they were members of the West Midlands (Regional) League.



I think not. They had been in the distant past but the APL took them from the NPL


You are absolutely correct, it was as founder members of the NPL that they left the WMRL. Sorry for my error!

As I recall Boston United joined the WML as a means of entering the original NPL back in 1969/70 but switched back to the Midland League. I have a copy of the Original NPL handbook somewhere,some interesting predictions of who teams expected to advance.
South Liverpool anticipated becoming the "3rd" Liverpool Football League team with 30,000 a realistic crowd target! Ashington expected at least 5,000 average.Great reading if I can only find it.



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Boston United
From 1933 to 1958 Midland League
They were then part of the Southern League expansion, playing NW Division (58/9) and two in the Premier, but dropped out on finishing bottom in 1961.

I do not know about 61-2, but 62-4 (two season) were back in the Midland League, 64-5 is also a mystery

65-6 UCL-1 (I take it that was lower division, as now?), and 66-68 West Midlands Premier Division - three titles in a row!!

They then joined the Northern Premier League

NPL 68-79 4 titles
APL/Conference to 1993
NPL 1993-8
Southern 1998-2000 (Champions in 2000)
Conference 2000-2 (Champions in 2002) (Cheated)
Football League 2002-2007
Conference North 2007-8
NPL 2008-10
Conference North again

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I do not know about 61-2, but 62-4 (two season) were back in the Midland League, 64-5 is also a mystery

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From the Boston Town FC web site:

History
For many years, the sign above the clubhouse read simply:
The Boston Football Club.
We were all proud of that word `The’.
It said everything about our history.
Boston FC, as they have been known for most of their existence, were formed in 1964.
They were born after a row over money matters which led to Boston United opting out of senior non-league football.
Until then, United had been the only serious club in town.
And The Pilgrims had enjoyed a proud record, famously beating Derby County 6-1 in the FA Cup in 1955.
But the furore of 1964 left a sour taste in the mouths of many football fans in South Lincolnshire.
They backed the new club, formed after a public meeting in the Assembly Rooms. Briefly, Boston FC were literally the only club in town.
United fielded a scratch side in the Boston League, while their manager Paul Todd and some of the players defected to the new club.
The Pilgrims did then return to the senior scene when they bizarrely joined the West Midlands (Regional) League in 1966-67.



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The North begins at Gatwick.

 
 


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