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CND67
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Personally I would love this to happen (I know its only half time at the moment etc) what do others think?



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Spurs are out so I don't care.

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would be a great final, show what teams outsid the top 4 can do.



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Probably an indication of the sort of ties to expect in the future as the big clubs continue to treat the League Cup and to a lesser extent the FA Cup with contempt fielding so called weakened teams. More shock results and smaller teams progressing in these competitions.



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Presumably, Bradford City would thus earn a Europa League place, win or lose in a final v. Swansea?



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Probably an indication of the sort of ties to expect in the future as the big clubs continue to treat the League Cup and to a lesser extent the FA Cup with contempt fielding so called weakened teams. More shock results and smaller teams progressing in these competitions.



Given the following list of winners of winners over the last 10 years that argument doesn't hold much water:

2003 Liverpool
2004 Middlesbrough
2005 Chelsea
2006 Manchester United
2007 Chelsea
2008 Tottenham Hotspur
2009 Manchester United
2010 Manchester United
2011 Birmingham City
2012 Liverpool

No suggestion there that the 'big clubs' treat the competition 'with contempt'. The situation is pretty much the same in the FA Cup over the same period and if anything the big clubs dominate the competitions more than ever, so it makes a refreshing to see less high profile clubs make their mark.

Rob


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As already reported on a nearby thread Bradford City would need a UEFA licence and runners up do not qualify even if the winners are already eligible e.g. via league position.


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Is there any reason why a UEFA licence would be refused should the need arise?



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the FA have indicated in the past that Welsh clubs can qualify for Europe through English competitions



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Probably an indication of the sort of ties to expect in the future as the big clubs continue to treat the League Cup and to a lesser extent the FA Cup with contempt fielding so called weakened teams. More shock results and smaller teams progressing in these competitions.



Given the following list of winners of winners over the last 10 years that argument doesn't hold much water:

2003 Liverpool
2004 Middlesbrough
2005 Chelsea
2006 Manchester United
2007 Chelsea
2008 Tottenham Hotspur
2009 Manchester United
2010 Manchester United
2011 Birmingham City
2012 Liverpool

No suggestion there that the 'big clubs' treat the competition 'with contempt'. The situation is pretty much the same in the FA Cup over the same period and if anything the big clubs dominate the competitions more than ever, so it makes a refreshing to see less high profile clubs make their mark.

Rob





I think what it does prove is most of the top clubs reserve sides can beat the rest, how often do 'big clubs' put out their full strength side for League or FA Cup ties?


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Probably an indication of the sort of ties to expect in the future as the big clubs continue to treat the League Cup and to a lesser extent the FA Cup with contempt fielding so called weakened teams. More shock results and smaller teams progressing in these competitions.



Given the following list of winners of winners over the last 10 years that argument doesn't hold much water:

2003 Liverpool
2004 Middlesbrough
2005 Chelsea
2006 Manchester United
2007 Chelsea
2008 Tottenham Hotspur
2009 Manchester United
2010 Manchester United
2011 Birmingham City
2012 Liverpool

No suggestion there that the 'big clubs' treat the competition 'with contempt'. The situation is pretty much the same in the FA Cup over the same period and if anything the big clubs dominate the competitions more than ever, so it makes a refreshing to see less high profile clubs make their mark.

Rob



I think what it does prove is most of the top clubs reserve sides can beat the rest, how often do 'big clubs' put out their full strength side for League or FA Cup ties?


This is the point I was getting at, The big clubs have tended to field `squad` teams in this competition, I appreciate what Rob says about the winners still coming from the bigger clubs but how often do these clubs put out a full strength team even in the Final? I am sure if they were given the opportunity clubs like man utd and Chelsea would drop the League Cup altogether as the Euro Millions has become the Bee All and End All.



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Probably an indication of the sort of ties to expect in the future as the big clubs continue to treat the League Cup and to a lesser extent the FA Cup with contempt fielding so called weakened teams. More shock results and smaller teams progressing in these competitions.



Given the following list of winners of winners over the last 10 years that argument doesn't hold much water:

2003 Liverpool
2004 Middlesbrough
2005 Chelsea
2006 Manchester United
2007 Chelsea
2008 Tottenham Hotspur
2009 Manchester United
2010 Manchester United
2011 Birmingham City
2012 Liverpool

No suggestion there that the 'big clubs' treat the competition 'with contempt'. The situation is pretty much the same in the FA Cup over the same period and if anything the big clubs dominate the competitions more than ever, so it makes a refreshing to see less high profile clubs make their mark.

Rob



I think what it does prove is most of the top clubs reserve sides can beat the rest, how often do 'big clubs' put out their full strength side for League or FA Cup ties?


This is the point I was getting at, The big clubs have tended to field `squad` teams in this competition, I appreciate what Rob says about the winners still coming from the bigger clubs but how often do these clubs put out a full strength team even in the Final? I am sure if they were given the opportunity clubs like man utd and Chelsea would drop the League Cup altogether as the Euro Millions has become the Bee All and End All.



In the case of Chelsea that would be a silly move, they failed to qualify for the CL via league position last season (only getting in by depriving Spurs of their rightful place) and they are on course to fail again this season. PL clubs only enter 3 domestic competitions a season, frankly if they choose to frig around with 1 of them they get the expensive failures they deserve.

TBF I am not a big fan of the whining about which players play in which competitions and the accomapnying accusations of "fielding weaker teams". Frankly if you are over 18 and being paid to be a professional footballer at a PL club (or any other fulltime professional club for that matter) then you should be good enough to play and put in a performance.



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hope they would let swansea play in europe !



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I don't see why people make a fuss about what team the big clubs put out. It would be different if there were a group stage where other teams might suffer by Man U, Arsenal etc put a reserve side out but as it's only the club that picks the team which can lose.

Of course, as noted, the big clubs don't lose that often, even with squad players. Arsenal lost to Birmingham in the final a couple of years back and this season to Bradford, both with 1st team players playing. They almost always win comfortably when they put squad players out. Mind you, the 1st team is become ever more what used to be considered squad players...


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Chelsea have put consistently strong teams in the League Cup and FA Cup certainly since the Mourinho days, and with significantly reduced prices.


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I would love to see it. Might even be tempted to go.

All these lists of winners are one thing, but what about the make up of Quarter and semi finals in the League Cup? I have to say in recent years I have certainly taken more of an interest in it than the FA Cup at later stages. Not sure if that is due to the Teams or the way the games are played.



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Why should'nt they Gareth after all as according to UEFA they are an English club based in Wales


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i await to see what uefa says........Unsure



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Why should'nt they Gareth after all as according to UEFA they are an English club based in Wales


Try telling that to their supporters - for some reason they seem to be under the impression they are Welsh.


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Like all the 'Welsh' teams, they're only patriotic Welsh when it suits them!!



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In the early years, Scotland and Ireland were represented in the FA Cup. The Welsh were allowed in when they had managed to get some of their balls to the correct shape.



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In the early years, Scotland and Ireland were represented in the FA Cup. The Welsh were allowed in when they had managed to get some of their balls to the correct shape.


Not sure about Ireland but in the case of Scotland it was the Scottish FA who ruled that Scottish teams could no longer compete in the FA Cup.



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In the early years, Scotland and Ireland were represented in the FA Cup. The Welsh were allowed in when they had managed to get some of their balls to the correct shape.


Not sure about Ireland but in the case of Scotland it was the Scottish FA who ruled that Scottish teams could no longer compete in the FA Cup.

Linfield once entered the FA Cup, although I don't think they actually played any games.



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Before this season, the last a major domestic final was contested by two clubs who hadn’t reached the final of that competition before was 1978, when Nottingham Forest faced Liverpool in the League Cup Final.

Coincidentally, the last time the FA Cup Final was between two clubs that hadn’t reached the final before also involved Liverpool – the 1914 FA Cup Final between Burnley and Liverpool.

Bradford City had not reached the semi-finals of the League Cup before this season, while Swansea had not even reached the last 8 before this season.

The other 6 clubs in this season's last 8 all had strong League Cup pedigree. Before this season:

W F SF L8
Aston Villa 5 8 13 19
Chelsea 4 6 10 17
Arsenal 2 7 14 24
Norwich City 2 4 5 13
Middlesbrough 1 3 5 8
Leeds Utd 1 2 5 6
Bradford City 0 0 0 3
Swansea City 0 0 0 0

What was Swansea's best performance in the League Cup before this season?



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