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DonQuixote
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...the UK's worst train disaster at Quintinshill on the Scottish border.

227 officially killed.




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...the UK's worst train disaster at Quintinshill on the Scottish border.

227 officially killed.


An unfortunate turn of phrase...


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The Scottish battalion's log book went up in smoke with
most of the other four trains and they could never give a
true figure - plus the heat of the fire was so intense that
most of the bodies were welded together.




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Saw the documentary last night on BBC4, something like the first 74 coffins in a funeral parade in Leith were just filled with ash.


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As a regular reader of the railway press I've seen many articles on the accident, especially in the last few months.

227 are recorded as having died but there weren't 227 bodies to bury.


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Didn't realise that was on...will check it out on iPlayer later.

One of the two signalmen - Meakin and Tinsley (?) had lost
his child but the company forced him to work - I trying to
recall on the hoof here from LTC Rolt's book - Red for Danger.




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One of the two signalmen - Meakin and Tinsley (?) had lost his child but the company forced him to work...


That was James Holmes, Thirsk, 1892.


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How many officially died in that one?




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How many officially died in that one?


10 according to wiki.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 69 / 59 / 10 / inc 2 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 19 / 09 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(0-0-0)-(0-2-1-1)/ Lux = 0-2 / Neth = 0-0-0-(1 - 2) Others France = 0-0 / Germany =0-0-0 / Italy =0-3(Act 4- Frosinone new ground)./ Iberia = P = 0-1 & S = 0-0.

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Wasn't there three in the same area in a short space of time?

Ais Gill, Hawes Junction and Thirsk?

Can't be arsed Googling - I leave that to VP and Hoddy to do it for me... Cool




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Can't be arsed Googling - I leave that to VP and Hoddy to do it for me... Cool


Yes I've noticed you dont check facts , suppose its hard to rid yourself of being a hack for so many years.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 69 / 59 / 10 / inc 2 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 19 / 09 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(0-0-0)-(0-2-1-1)/ Lux = 0-2 / Neth = 0-0-0-(1 - 2) Others France = 0-0 / Germany =0-0-0 / Italy =0-3(Act 4- Frosinone new ground)./ Iberia = P = 0-1 & S = 0-0.

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Well if it's on the internet then it must be correct.




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Well if it's on the internet then it must be correct.


Has a better chance of being correct than anything that comes out of your Rioja riddled head.

You dont do things on Wiki do you ?



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 69 / 59 / 10 / inc 2 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 19 / 09 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(0-0-0)-(0-2-1-1)/ Lux = 0-2 / Neth = 0-0-0-(1 - 2) Others France = 0-0 / Germany =0-0-0 / Italy =0-3(Act 4- Frosinone new ground)./ Iberia = P = 0-1 & S = 0-0.

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You know how to wound......

Have corrected a few glaring errors in the past...




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...the UK's worst train disaster at Quintinshill on the Scottish border.

227 officially killed.





Were you involved in it?Blush

Dumfries and Galloway council put an article on their website about it..................complete with a photograph of the Harrow & Wealdstone disaster which happened some 37 years laterCrazy


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Didn't realise that was on...will check it out on iPlayer later.

It's on iPlayer I went to record it last night on BBC4 and it said it was already on iPlayer then. If you go on your EPG and scroll back to yesterday on BBC4 and hit OK on the 9pm listing it will take you direct to the iPlayer version.


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There was a bit about it on Michael Portillo's railway journeys programme a few months ago.



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I watched the programme earlier. It's a shame that it went for the conspiracy angle and was guilty of some overdramatising. All of what was discussed has been known for some time. It's hardly new information that Meakin and Tinsley were later re-employed. Methods and techniques of safety, management and inquiry have improved enormously since then but some of the participants were guilty of projecting modern standards onto a time when, sadly, life was cheap. It's easy for us to sit here and look back, a point which Neil Oliver at least acknowledged but then we look to the recent accidents at Hatfield, Paddington or Southall and see shoddy practice in a world apparently more safety conscious.

Incidentally, one point the programme missed completely was that the fireman of the local failed to ensure that Tinsley had protected his train. The signalman was distracted because at that moment he was copying Meakin's notes into the train register. The fireman should have ensured that Tinsley had put on the collar and sent 'train on line' to the previous box. Instead he merely signed the register and left the box.

Nevertheless, the thrust of much the programme was broadly true. Some of the railway companies were lax in introducing safer working practices and even for the better ones the war was the worst time to do so because of the sheer volume of traffic being carried. Some train crews signed on for duty, sat for 8 hours on the footplate of their locomotive at the head of a goods trains in a passing loop and then signed off again having not moved an inch.

I'm not sure that Quintinshill is the 'forgotten' railway disaster. Ask anyone about Hatfield or Southall and they might remember. Go back further and ask them about Lewisham or Harrow & Wealdstone and you might get a blank look if they're under the age of 60. Then say 'Senghenydd' or 'Gresford'... For whatever reason, some events stick in the minds over the decades and some fade. What's the explanation for that?


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From days of yore, the Tay Bridge disaster would probably be recalled by most people.

Isn't there a museum that has all the tickets from those passengers on the 'official' death list?




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...the UK's worst train disaster at Quintinshill on the Scottish border.

227 officially killed.


And just six days later, 100 years ago today, was the HMS Princess Irene explosion in the mouth of the River Medway near Sheerness which killed 352 people with just one survivor...

http://www.wessexwfa.org.uk/...s/princess-irene.htm

...this coming just six months after the explosion on board HMS Bulwark in November 1914, near the same spot, which killed 736 (with 14 survivors).

Hardly any bodies were recovered after the explosion on board the Princess Irene. the names of the missing dead (and those missing from Bulwark) are listed on the Royal Navy memorial on Southsea Common in Portsmouth.


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Not sure how apocryphal the story is but I've often
heard that there's a boat at the bottom of the Thames
estuary with enough explosives to send most of Southend
into a different county, should it ever err go bang.




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Not sure how apocryphal the story is but I've often
heard that there's a boat at the bottom of the Thames
estuary with enough explosives to send most of Southend
into a different county, should it ever err go bang.


Yep, its true. The SS Richard Montgomery, which sank in 1944 with almost 1500 tons of explosives on board. The masts are still visible at low tide.


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The SS Richard Montgomery, a US WW2 freighter: http://www.bbc.co.uk/.../uk-england-17513286

EDIT: There is a great deal of unexploded ordnance scattered across the Thames estuary.


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Not sure how apocryphal the story is but I've often
heard that there's a boat at the bottom of the Thames
estuary with enough explosives to send most of Southend
into a different county, should it ever err go bang.


Yep, its true. The SS Richard Montgomery, which sank in 1944 with almost 1500 tons of explosives on board. The masts are still visible at low tide.


A detailed article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/...S_Richard_Montgomery


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I can recall walking out to the MTB(?) that's in two halves
about a mile off the shore when the tide was out...

Is it still there?




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