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Chris1963
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Jul 17, 2016, 1:03 AM

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No Turkish accession any time soon given tonight's events.


They weren't going to join soon anyway, not least because Germany would have objected. Erdogan is a complete idiot for refusing to talk to the PKK, particularly as they are asking for nothing more than autonomy within Turkey and not complete independence. I would not have had much sympathy with him had he been toppled in the coup attempt.


HantsLondoner
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Jul 17, 2016, 7:44 AM

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Agree that there is/was no chance of Turkey joining the EU.

Saying that there was, was one of the lies that Boris Johnson was pushing during the Referendum debate. It will come back to bite him on the bum in his new job.



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Chris1963
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And Boris will face possible arrest should he ever travel to Turkey, given what he said about Erdogan not too long ago.


HantsLondoner
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Indeed. Is it a good idea to have a Foreign Secretary in that position?

Given the strategic importance of Turkey in the world, the potential danger of Erdogan's increasing power in his country, etc.?



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kirby knitters
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Jul 17, 2016, 9:46 AM

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That would hardly be a good move on their part seeing as they have aspirations to join the EU!


HantsLondoner
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Jul 17, 2016, 9:52 AM

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They have no chance of the EU. Their best chance was about five years ago, it didn't happen then and since then Turkey are looking to other places as well as the EU.

As I said, they are strategically a very important country and given some of their neighbours/near neighbours you can hardly blame them for looking for allies no matter where.

With what now is perceived as internal instability/the threat of more power in the hands of one person or party I think everyone needs to watch events in Turkey very carefully.



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BigJR
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Jul 17, 2016, 3:35 PM

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I wonder what Erdogan will do with the plotting Generals now that the coup has failed ?



dottirofhod
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He wants reintroduction of the death penalty.


Sure some of the 6,000 already arrested will not be seen again.



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windydcfc
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He doesn't want to push the Army to much. Because there's been 6 coups in Turkey's history & the Army are pro-Secular Atarturkists!



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Rob North
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And Boris will face possible arrest should he ever travel to Turkey, given what he said about Erdogan not too long ago.


We can but hope...


kirby knitters
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He wants reintroduction of the death penalty.


Sure some of the 6,000 already arrested will not be seen again.

Sounds an absolute top guy to me. Just goes to show how easier things can become when outside the EU!!


Richard Rundle
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He doesn't want to push the Army to much. Because there's been 6 coups in Turkey's history & the Army are pro-Secular Atarturkists!



It was kind of funny that the West had to, in the cause of democracy, support the Islamist regime over the secularists.


Ronsdog
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Jul 18, 2016, 2:23 AM

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It is ironic that the EU is 'funding' Turkey to the tune of some €300m as part of he migrant deal. Seems to me that the Turkish President is playing the west and becoming more dictatorial at home.

A recipe for a political disaster just around the corner....


Ronsdog
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Jul 24, 2016, 12:26 PM

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OK, we've voted out.
I admit I was, and remain, a Remainer.
But now we've voted out, what are the red lines?
I'm told by the media that the UK wants full access to the single market but no free movement. This is clearly unacceptable to the EU.
However - given the close nature of the vote, surely not all Leavers were anti immigration, and there will have been other factors, such as Fisheries policy, that played their part.
So, what's the best outcome for the consensus?
Membership of the EEA, free movement, control of Fisheries policy and marginally reduced rights to out of work benefits for EU citizens.
Would that swing the balance?


Is this the beginning of the much vaunted fudge that has been widely predicted........

http://www.msn.com/...p;ocid=mailsignoutmd


Barbie
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Jul 24, 2016, 1:18 PM

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OK, we've voted out.
I admit I was, and remain, a Remainer.
But now we've voted out, what are the red lines?
I'm told by the media that the UK wants full access to the single market but no free movement. This is clearly unacceptable to the EU.
However - given the close nature of the vote, surely not all Leavers were anti immigration, and there will have been other factors, such as Fisheries policy, that played their part.
So, what's the best outcome for the consensus?
Membership of the EEA, free movement, control of Fisheries policy and marginally reduced rights to out of work benefits for EU citizens.
Would that swing the balance?


Is this the beginning of the much vaunted fudge that has been widely predicted........

http://www.msn.com/...p;ocid=mailsignoutmd

Why is that a 'fudge'?


Tykeoldboy
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Jul 24, 2016, 2:58 PM

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OK, we've voted out.
I admit I was, and remain, a Remainer.
But now we've voted out, what are the red lines?
I'm told by the media that the UK wants full access to the single market but no free movement. This is clearly unacceptable to the EU.
However - given the close nature of the vote, surely not all Leavers were anti immigration, and there will have been other factors, such as Fisheries policy, that played their part.
So, what's the best outcome for the consensus?
Membership of the EEA, free movement, control of Fisheries policy and marginally reduced rights to out of work benefits for EU citizens.
Would that swing the balance?


Is this the beginning of the much vaunted fudge that has been widely predicted........

http://www.msn.com/...p;ocid=mailsignoutmd

Why is that a 'fudge'?


Part of the "fudge" or should that be that "Euro-fudge" will be payments by the UK to the EU to give us access to the EU market. It seems to be that by leaving the EU the UK will gain little but lose a lot. I also read a news report that UK exit could take as long as 5 years.



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PaulC
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Jul 24, 2016, 3:41 PM

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Part of the "fudge" or should that be that "Euro-fudge" will be payments by the UK to the EU to give us access to the EU market. It seems to be that by leaving the EU the UK will gain little but lose a lot. I also read a news report that UK exit could take as long as 5 years.


I can't imagine Article 50 being triggered by this Government. "5 years" - no chance.


Barbie
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Jul 24, 2016, 4:20 PM

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OK, we've voted out.
I admit I was, and remain, a Remainer.
But now we've voted out, what are the red lines?
I'm told by the media that the UK wants full access to the single market but no free movement. This is clearly unacceptable to the EU.
However - given the close nature of the vote, surely not all Leavers were anti immigration, and there will have been other factors, such as Fisheries policy, that played their part.
So, what's the best outcome for the consensus?
Membership of the EEA, free movement, control of Fisheries policy and marginally reduced rights to out of work benefits for EU citizens.
Would that swing the balance?


Is this the beginning of the much vaunted fudge that has been widely predicted........

http://www.msn.com/...p;ocid=mailsignoutmd

Why is that a 'fudge'?


Part of the "fudge" or should that be that "Euro-fudge" will be payments by the UK to the EU to give us access to the EU market. It seems to be that by leaving the EU the UK will gain little but lose a lot. I also read a news report that UK exit could take as long as 5 years.

Paying into the EU budget for access to the free market was always going to happen. Every other developed economy in Europe outside the EU does this. 'Gain a little but lose a lot' was exactly what Remainers were saying before the referendum.


BigJR
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I don't believe there will be a fudge at all.

May has already had immediate meetings with France and Germany. I think she is an honest career politician, who accepts British democracy and will do all she can to negotiate a settlement that pleases all voters.

Cameron was never a career politician. He was just a star-struck individual who enjoyed being centre stage. He banked on a 'Remain' vote and came seriously unstuck at the result, sso he picked up his 'football' and went off home sulking and counting all his money.

FACT. Britain is a democracy.

FACT. Britain voted DEMOCRATICALLY to leave the EU.

Just get on and do it without 'faffing' around. The rest of the world in general will respect us a lot more if we do.

Oh, and finally......

FACT. There is still room to negotiate with Europe. Negotiations that please us and Europe will have to accept, instead of their total domination of us.


Barbie
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Jul 24, 2016, 8:35 PM

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FACT. There is still room to negotiate with Europe. Negotiations that please us and Europe will have to accept, instead of their total domination of us.


I think you've missed the concept of negotiation.


Barbie
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Jul 24, 2016, 8:39 PM

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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/...tions-20160715110899


spudungeyee
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No Turkish accession any time soon given tonight's events.


The turks were at least 25 years short anyway, they had only passed 1 condition of many to gain entrance. The only country pushing for membership was the UK and Boris was one of them.



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No Turkish accession any time soon given tonight's events.


The turks were at least 25 years short anyway, they had only passed 1 condition of many to gain entrance. The only country pushing for membership was the UK and Boris was one of them.


Couple of videos/articles on Boris Johnson and Turkey

http://stopturkey.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/boris-turk.html

http://www.downvids.net/...-the-eu--808161.html


Ronsdog
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Is this more 'evidence' of the continued implosion of the EU........

http://www.msn.com/...amp;ocid=mailsignout

This trend will make any UK negotiations that much easier.


PaulC
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