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007Dale
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MPs have voted 461-89 to Respect The Result and invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty by 31 Mar 17

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...uk-politics-38243500


I know Ken Clark is a Europhile but still shocked he voted to ignore the will of the people


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MPs have voted 461-89 to Respect The Result and invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty by 31 Mar 17

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...uk-politics-38243500


I know Ken Clark is a Europhile but still shocked he voted to ignore the will of the people


He voted in line with the vote of the people, the people in his constituency. He was elected to represent the constituency of Rushcliffe. Rushcliffe voted to Remain.

Those MPs ignoring the will of the people are those ignoring how their areas voted in the Referendum.

And he voted yesterday in line with his principles, unlike many of his colleagues. Would you really have expected Douglas Carswell to vote in the Commons to stay in the EU if the Referendum result had gone the other way?!! Crazy


007Dale
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We leave together or remain together. KC's constituency have to live with the national together. However inconvenient it is, that's the way it is. The Remainers need to get over it - we're leaving!


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We leave together or remain together. KC's constituency have to live with the national together.


That'll be the 35% of the electorate who voted to Leave, then?


007Dale
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We leave together or remain together. KC's constituency have to live with the national together.


That'll be the 35% of the electorate who voted to Leave, then?


52%. You really are clutching at straws. Ever heard the term 'bad loser'?


PaulC
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We leave together or remain together. KC's constituency have to live with the national together.


That'll be the 35% of the electorate who voted to Leave, then?


52%. You really are clutching at straws. Ever heard the term 'bad loser'?


52%?? Rubbish.

17.4 million/46.5 million

Ever heard the term "bad mathematician"?


Richard Rundle
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We leave together or remain together. KC's constituency have to live with the national together. However inconvenient it is, that's the way it is. The Remainers need to get over it - we're leaving!



Yes we are unfortunaetly. But yesterday's vote wasn't an in/out decision, it was mostly about the timetable of the exit. Surely if you disagree with the timetable (and it could be too fast or too slow to disagree), there should be no problem voting against that?


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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.


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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.


Would it as the petition to have a rerun was set up by a leaver not a remainer. And is this not actually a rerun referenum the first one voted remain? .


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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.



LOl! You are detached from reality. Your leader, Farage, said a small majority in favour of remain would mean 'unfinished business'.

Brexiteers seem to think they are a majority of the British people. They aren't. They are 35% of the electorate.


007Dale
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You'd make a good Iraqi minister of Propaganda.

"We are winning, we are....no, those aren't American tanks in the background..."


PaulC
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You'd make a good Iraqi minister of Propaganda.

"We are winning, we are....no, those aren't American tanks in the background..."


Are there any facts in my posts you wish to dispute?


jon b
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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.


The Ukippers would have respected a vote to Remain in the EU in exactly the same way that the SNP respect the vote north of the border to Remain in the UK Cool


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Doesn't it matter if we're not in the single market



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PaulC
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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.


The Ukippers would have respected a vote to Remain in the EU in exactly the same way that the SNP respect the vote north of the border to Remain in the UK Cool


Nonsense.

The SNP has respected the result. However the SNP also respects the right of the people of Scotland to change their mind. If there is a significant change in public opinion the SNP has indicated they will hold another referendum. If there is no significant change, they won't.

Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its wishes might well trigger a change in public opinion.

Now tell me what is unreasonable in any of that.


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You'd make a good Iraqi minister of Propaganda.

"We are winning, we are....no, those aren't American tanks in the background..."


Are there any facts in my posts you wish to dispute?


It would appear there aren't.


007Dale
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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.


The Ukippers would have respected a vote to Remain in the EU in exactly the same way that the SNP respect the vote north of the border to Remain in the UK Cool


Couldn't agree more. Victory is sweet though.


jon b
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What percentage of the total electorate voted to stay??? 32 per cent perhaps. Point proved- we are leaving-get over it-stop being a remoaner and a bad loser-if the vote had gone the other way it would have been accepted by us Brexiteers- living in Scotland as you do you are welcome to Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP crew.



LOl! You are detached from reality. Your leader, Farage, said a small majority in favour of remain would mean 'unfinished business'.

Brexiteers seem to think they are a majority of the British people. They aren't. They are 35% of the electorate.


They are, of course, a majority of those who could be bothered to vote. That's how democracy works. I don't know what the non voters wanted and if they can't get off their backsides to go and put a cross on a ballot paper……..

I don't particularly care about staying in the EU, but I have little confidence in the likes of Davis, Fox & Johnson obtaining a good Brexit deal.

And I'd expect a lot of effort from within the EU to encourage Financial Services to re-locate from London to Euroland. Shocked

Mind you, if GB Ltd goes into economic meltdown no doubt Farage's nice friend Donald will race to the rescue. Crazy Farageman and Fartman, what could possibly go wrong Tongue


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The stay in camp were project fear



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The stay in camp were project fear


Why do you parrot this stuff?

Yes, there was scaremongering on the remain side, but the pro-Brexit lot were equally bad. If anything, their scaremongering was more distasteful due to the racial element of some of it.


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The stay in camp were project fear


Why do you parrot this stuff?

Yes, there was scaremongering on the remain side, but the pro-Brexit lot were equally bad. If anything, their scaremongering was more distasteful due to the racial element of some of it.


What racial element? Sounds like you're scaremongering now!


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The stay in camp were project fear


Why do you parrot this stuff?

Yes, there was scaremongering on the remain side, but the pro-Brexit lot were equally bad. If anything, their scaremongering was more distasteful due to the racial element of some of it.


What racial element? Sounds like you're scaremongering now!


I'm sure you remember the infamous "Breaking point" poster.


007Dale
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The stay in camp were project fear


Why do you parrot this stuff?

Yes, there was scaremongering on the remain side, but the pro-Brexit lot were equally bad. If anything, their scaremongering was more distasteful due to the racial element of some of it.



What racial element? Sounds like you're scaremongering now!


I'm sure you remember the infamous "Breaking point" poster.


Being against unlimited immigration doesn't mean you're racist. It's about protecting the people already here, including black, white, etc


Isaac
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The stay in camp were project fear


Why do you parrot this stuff?

Yes, there was scaremongering on the remain side, but the pro-Brexit lot were equally bad. If anything, their scaremongering was more distasteful due to the racial element of some of it.



What racial element? Sounds like you're scaremongering now!


I'm sure you remember the infamous "Breaking point" poster.


Being against unlimited immigration doesn't mean you're racist. It's about protecting the people already here, including black, white, etc


Exactly and it beggars belief to me that anybody could seriously suggest that this poster is in anyway racist. Ironically it is precisely this sort of attitude that has driven people towards voting for UKIP.


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The stay in camp were project fear


Why do you parrot this stuff?

Yes, there was scaremongering on the remain side, but the pro-Brexit lot were equally bad. If anything, their scaremongering was more distasteful due to the racial element of some of it.



What racial element? Sounds like you're scaremongering now!


I'm sure you remember the infamous "Breaking point" poster.


Being against unlimited immigration doesn't mean you're racist. It's about protecting the people already here, including black, white, etc


I agree, but I'm sure you know there's a difference between being against unlimited immigration and putting up a poster like that.

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