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HarryC
Chelsea Transfer Target

May 23, 2018, 4:12 PM

Posts: 3191
Location: Fleet
Team(s): Fleet, Aldershot, Chelsea

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As mentioned in seperate thread the FALC have swopped Evesham and Didcot Town across SLE & SLW divisions.


Richard Rundle
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May 23, 2018, 4:22 PM

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So to repeat is there any evidence the above is about to change from next year?


At the moment it appears to be only hearsay.


UCLFan32
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May 23, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Apparently Buckingham Town have re-entered the UCL, any ideas how this may affect the UCL Div One? Would Oakham or S&L Corby drop out?


SpiderBee
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May 23, 2018, 10:32 PM

Posts: 1007
Location: West Sutton
Team(s): Colliers Wood United & Queen's Park (Glasgow)

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Clubs can expect to receive the Step5/6 allocations on Friday between 11.00 and 11.30 a.m.



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SWP-Phil
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May 24, 2018, 9:14 AM

Posts: 2436
Location: Exeter
Team(s): Various

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Meeting is 23rd but will not be made public that day, would think Friday at EARLIEST !


In the very best tradition of "I Told U so" - The FA have confirmed leagues will get draft list for checking first thing Friday, after 11am any updated list having been checked will be sent to clubs, and from Midday the NLP and media will have the full national listings for Steps 5 & 6.

I do chuckle to myself when people post replies suggesting they are right, when they are replying to posts from a league secretary and Step 5/6 FA Focus group member who might just know a thing or two after gawd knows how many years in football admin !



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ianh
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May 24, 2018, 9:25 AM

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Thanks Phil


Unicorn
Chelsea Transfer Target

May 24, 2018, 9:45 AM

Posts: 3889
Location: Canterbury
Team(s): Arsenal and South Eastern Football

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To go one step further as you have a step 7.
Is the constitution of that totally dictated by the LC or do you still have the main say as the league with just the occasional insistence over certain clubs inclusion by the LC.


SWP-Phil
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May 24, 2018, 9:50 AM

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Location: Exeter
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Within regulations the league still have a degree of automony on Step 7 although the various rules & agreements with feeder leagues dictate many of the options.



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oftenscore6
Chelsea Transfer Target

May 24, 2018, 6:59 PM

Posts: 5264
Location: Saddleworth
Team(s): FCUM, MUFC, Hammarby, St Pauli, Hawthorn (AFL)

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A play off would only be a one off though, you could whittle 18 down to 9. Just have a draw or play on a neutral venue or 2 legged games.

Spain whittles 54 down to 9 using play-offs so 18 to 9 is fairly simple.

Not that I'm for them or PPG. When you have regional football and a limited number of promotion places something has to give.

In some countries they have fixed boundaries so if teams from your area are relegated into your division that can push extra teams down. As an example VSG Altglienicke in Germany will be relegated if the team at the top of their division do not win their play off to go up! Even worse up to 3 teams who have won their division at level 4 in Germany will not be promoted.

It is not uncommon for teams who finish 2nd not to go up on the continent.

In Germany, the potential number of variable relegation places is set at the beginning of the year. If you finish in one of them, you're vulnerable to be relegated and lucky if you're not. In the end a lot of step 5 and 6 leagues here in the past varied the relegation places according to who came down from above and how many went up in virtually the same way.

The problem with pooling, same divisional numbers and ppg is we aren't starting with an even structure. So any divisional imbalances lopside the pyramid on an ongoing basis. If the 2nd placed NL2 side does not get promoted on ppg, a team will have to transfer into NL1. Nearest current step 5 is Knaresborough but that's nearly 50 miles and an hour's drive to the nearest club in NL1. It'd be worse if there's no NL step 4 relegatees and/or the 2nd placed NL1 side is promoted. For me, any pooling should only be after getting a structure which has even divisions per area. I still believe fixed boundaries is better - you can then have 2 step 6 feeders to a step 5 in 1 area and 1 in others.



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windydcfc
Man City Transfer Target!


May 24, 2018, 7:25 PM

Posts: 10552
Location: Barnetby
Team(s): Derby County FC England Borussia Mönchengladbach

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A play off would only be a one off though, you could whittle 18 down to 9. Just have a draw or play on a neutral venue or 2 legged games.

Spain whittles 54 down to 9 using play-offs so 18 to 9 is fairly simple.

Not that I'm for them or PPG. When you have regional football and a limited number of promotion places something has to give.

In some countries they have fixed boundaries so if teams from your area are relegated into your division that can push extra teams down. As an example VSG Altglienicke in Germany will be relegated if the team at the top of their division do not win their play off to go up! Even worse up to 3 teams who have won their division at level 4 in Germany will not be promoted.

It is not uncommon for teams who finish 2nd not to go up on the continent.

In Germany, the potential number of variable relegation places is set at the beginning of the year. If you finish in one of them, you're vulnerable to be relegated and lucky if you're not. In the end a lot of step 5 and 6 leagues here in the past varied the relegation places according to who came down from above and how many went up in virtually the same way.

The problem with pooling, same divisional numbers and ppg is we aren't starting with an even structure. So any divisional imbalances lopside the pyramid on an ongoing basis. If the 2nd placed NL2 side does not get promoted on ppg, a team will have to transfer into NL1. Nearest current step 5 is Knaresborough but that's nearly 50 miles and an hour's drive to the nearest club in NL1. It'd be worse if there's no NL step 4 relegatees and/or the 2nd placed NL1 side is promoted. For me, any pooling should only be after getting a structure which has even divisions per area. I still believe fixed boundaries is better - you can then have 2 step 6 feeders to a step 5 in 1 area and 1 in others.



The issue could actually get worse for the NL, or at least teams having to be laterally moved to it from neighbouring leagues. The top 2/3rds of the NL could hold there own at step 4. So you could goes years without a team being relegated from step 4 into the NL & because the NL2 is so competitive the runners up miss out on the extra promotion spot. So how many teams could potentially be laterally transferred after say 5 or 6 years. Before the NL stretches from Alnwick to Leeds!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Mister TwoU
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May 24, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Location: Back in hilly Malvern.
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The issue could actually get worse for the NL, or at least teams having to be laterally moved to it from neighbouring leagues. The top 2/3rds of the NL could hold there own at step 4. So you could go years without a team being relegated from step 4 into the NL & because the NL2 is so competitive the runners-up miss out on the extra promotion spot. So how many teams could potentially be laterally transferred after say 5 or 6 years? Before the NL stretches from Alnwick to Leeds!


I emailed Mike Amos about just this point earlier the week... he is 'on-board' with my previous post here about it.



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TomRoystonCrow
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May 25, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Should Nuneaton resign or worse fold hopefully they keep their club which clubs would you move around? Wimborne will go up as another PPG play off runner up despite having the same as Cambridge City but Wimborne have 1 better goal difference.


HarryC
Chelsea Transfer Target

May 25, 2018, 4:12 PM

Posts: 3191
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Team(s): Fleet, Aldershot, Chelsea

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Should Nuneaton resign or worse fold hopefully they keep their club which clubs would you move around? Wimborne will go up as another PPG play off runner up despite having the same as Cambridge City but Wimborne have 1 better goal difference.

Hopefully Nuneaton will get their License and an investor, some of these points already stated and agreed in threads
1. Reprieve Gainsboro to step 2 to replace Nuneaton
2. Promote Wimborne Town to step 3 (leaves space in Southern West)
3. Promote FC Romania to step 4 (Isthmian South Central), so ISC has to lose a club, nearest in that division to Southern West will be Fleet Town. or several other combinations that will also affect Southern East as well.


windydcfc
Man City Transfer Target!


Jun 3, 2018, 8:21 AM

Posts: 10552
Location: Barnetby
Team(s): Derby County FC England Borussia Mönchengladbach

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I know it’s a bit early, but Hebburn Town have made some significant signings & are going for promotion to the NPL1E next season. Looks like the bubbles burst on the EBAC NL’s closed shop attitude.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Mister TwoU
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Jun 3, 2018, 7:03 PM

Posts: 2498
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I know it’s a bit early, but Hebburn Town have made some significant signings & are going for promotion to the NPL1E next season. Looks like the bubbles burst on the EBAC NL’s closed shop attitude.


Makes at least six NL1 competitors keen to go up (30%)...

Bishop Auckland
Consett
Hebburn
Shildon
Stockton
West Auckland



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Dazzla84
Reserve Team Sub


Jun 4, 2018, 11:17 AM

Posts: 465
Location: South Shields
Team(s): South Shields and North East football in general

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I know it’s a bit early, but Hebburn Town have made some significant signings & are going for promotion to the NPL1E next season. Looks like the bubbles burst on the EBAC NL’s closed shop attitude.


They dont have an initial benefactor like South Shields do with Geoff Thompson, but they are attempting to mirror our model, increasing the online presence, boosting the junior ranks and get local businesses on board.

The ground needs some work to get it up to scratch but the early signs are very promising, they had the best average attendance in Division 2 last season and got over 350 for their promotion clincher.

Even with just these 4 signings, they're looking like championship dark horses.



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Dazzla84
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Jun 4, 2018, 11:23 AM

Posts: 465
Location: South Shields
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I know it’s a bit early, but Hebburn Town have made some significant signings & are going for promotion to the NPL1E next season. Looks like the bubbles burst on the EBAC NL’s closed shop attitude.


Makes at least six NL1 competitors keen to go up (30%)...

Bishop Auckland
Consett
Hebburn
Shildon
Stockton
West Auckland


Although they dont have the budget yet, id add Dunston UTS to that list



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Northumbrian
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Jun 12, 2018, 8:43 PM

Posts: 449
Location: Northumberland
Team(s): Ponteland Utd, Newcastle Utd

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Just a bit of housekeeping next time you update your excellent work.
Some of the Step 7 promotion clubs finished in slightly different positions -
Garstang 1st, Shelley 10th, Vauxhall 2nd, Linotype C.H.N. 4th and Stone Dom. 11th.
Also in New Clubs Lopes Tavares are missing.
Keep up the good work!


windydcfc
Man City Transfer Target!


Jun 14, 2018, 11:58 AM

Posts: 10552
Location: Barnetby
Team(s): Derby County FC England Borussia Mönchengladbach

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Does anyone know why I’m not able to view anything other than a basic google map on my iPhone(minus all the dots that shows the allocations)? Can anything be done to sort this problem?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9

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