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Towlawtom
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45177215

states now that it wont be ready until 28th October against Manchester City

Games against Liverpool and Cardiff have been moved to Wembley.

Just for clarification, this will be ticked as a new ground won't it?. Old ground demolished,new one built. Not the same ground as Old White Hart Lane, surely not!



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No pitch overlap, so it's a new ground by my rules Wink


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The NFL game has also been moved to Wembley.


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See ‘Premier League 2018/19’ thread, where I did say I couldn’t see any way the stadium would be ready by September 15th - and so it proved.

Tottenham have been sneaky here. Had they declared in June that they wouldn’t be ready until 28th October - i’m Sure the PL would have asked them to play the whole season at Wembley.

This incremental shifting of the date seems to make that OK. I also said in my message, Spurs should face penalties for missing the deadline.


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See ‘Premier League 2018/19’ thread, where I did say I couldn’t see any way the stadium would be ready by September 15th - and so it proved.

Tottenham have been sneaky here. Had they declared in June that they wouldn’t be ready until 28th October - i’m Sure the PL would have asked them to play the whole season at Wembley.

This incremental shifting of the date seems to make that OK. I also said in my message, Spurs should face penalties for missing the deadline.


Really? Why? Am I missing something?

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See ‘Premier League 2018/19’ thread, where I did say I couldn’t see any way the stadium would be ready by September 15th - and so it proved.

Tottenham have been sneaky here. Had they declared in June that they wouldn’t be ready until 28th October - i’m Sure the PL would have asked them to play the whole season at Wembley.

This incremental shifting of the date seems to make that OK. I also said in my message, Spurs should face penalties for missing the deadline.


Really? Why? Am I missing something?

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Premier League rules state that members must play all season at the same ground.

Spurs were given special dispensation for ONE game only. That is now at least three and will probably be more. There’s bending the rules and then there’s smashing them over Scudamore’s head.


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Thanks for that.

I've now found an article from 2015 stating the Premier League's position on it.

https://www.theguardian.com/...rd-scudamore-wembley

As you say, Spurs must have been well aware of the rules.


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Surely Scudamore has to resign not stand down ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44405190


But the Premier League’s chief executive, Richard Scudamore, has revealed that would be against its regulations. “They’d have to play in the same stadium for the entire year,” he said. “For the integrity of the competition.''


Integrity = ''the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.''



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To be honest it's a bit of a silly rule. No one will be moaning about the integrity of the competition when AFC Wimbledon move in mid-season to their ground next year, nor were they when AFC Bournemouth played at Dorchester all those years ago. It's about being practical. No one wants to see a club play away from home if it can be avoided, and whats the point of Spurs playing at Wembley for practically a whole year longer than necessary.


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Agree re rule , its his attitude I'm questioning.


Saying one thing and doing another.




Seems to be getting worse , 3 European games at Wembley and no venue for Oct 28th game v Man City.




PS. This is the Premier League we are talking about , Wimbledon ? Dorchester were D2 at time.




Its in my brain cells ( what's left) didn't Tottenham have problems once before at start of season and could not play at home when scheduled ? Coventry ?



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It looks like this rule only applies to PL. It might have been put in place to stop PL teams from switching the occasional fixture to the far east but the rule then isn't flexible to allow situations like Tottenhams. It probably could have been handled better by both the PL and by Tottenham.

If the same rule applies in the FL then it must be a recent rule change because in 2006/07 Doncaster Rovers played up to Christmas at Belle Vue before moving to the Keepmoat.


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Its in my brain cells ( what's left) didn't Tottenham have problems once before at start of season and could not play at home when scheduled ? Coventry ?


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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile



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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile


I think a 3 point deduction per game moved would please the Arsenal fans more


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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile

I

Tottenham are really in the S**t over this. They are considering playing the Man City game at Twickenham if not ready. They cant switch because it will give them an unfair advantage playing 4 of their last 5 games at home. So 3 venues in 1 season seems likely.



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If both Wembley and the new ground aren't available for the Man C game, I'm sure Arsenal would be happy for the game to be played at the Emirates Smile


I think a 3 point deduction per game moved would please the Arsenal fans more


It would also speed up completion of the stadium.


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RFU have said no to Spurs using Twickenham, according to the Independent



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To be honest it's a bit of a silly rule. No one will be moaning about the integrity of the competition when AFC Wimbledon move in mid-season to their ground next year, nor were they when AFC Bournemouth played at Dorchester all those years ago.


AFC Wimbledon are not in the Premier League and AFC Bournemouth were not when they played in Dorchester.

I agree that moving mid season does not really affect the integrity of a league, but that is what the PL rules state and Scudamore was clear it would not be allowed.

More of an issue, in my view, is that AFC Bournemouth are now starting their fourth season in the PL at a ground with a capacity of less than 11500 but that is seemingly not against the rules.


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To be honest it's a bit of a silly rule. No one will be moaning about the integrity of the competition when AFC Wimbledon move in mid-season to their ground next year, nor were they when AFC Bournemouth played at Dorchester all those years ago.


AFC Wimbledon are not in the Premier League and AFC Bournemouth were not when they played in Dorchester.

I agree that moving mid season does not really affect the integrity of a league, but that is what the PL rules state and Scudamore was clear it would not be allowed.

More of an issue, in my view, is that AFC Bournemouth are now starting their fourth season in the PL at a ground with a capacity of less than 11500 but that is seemingly not against the rules.


But Bournemouth are now looking at a move to a larger stadium or expanding their current one. To be fair to Bournemouth they have waiting until they established themselves in the PL before looking at the possibility of something bigger.


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The whole thing is a complete cock up. As a Spurs supporter I'm really not surprised though. After all, we are the masters of cocking things up right at the end of proceedings.
Personally, I think the rule regarding only using one stadium in any given season is unnecessary, especially when a club is building a new stadium. Having said that, rules are rules and I expect there will be some sort of sanction against the club.



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There must be a date for when the keys are handed over to Tottenham and the people involved in the construction of the stadium have failed to complete on time so there will surely be financial penalties handed to them from the club. Safety is paramount so is this all really the fault of Tottenham?


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It looked nowhere near ready when I passed the stadium on way to the CONIFA World Cup final in June, so not surprised by this delay. As for the Man City game, they could always follow Spain's lead and try to play the game in the USA, or the far east should the new stadium not be ready in timeBlush.


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There must be a date for when the keys are handed over to Tottenham and the people involved in the construction of the stadium have failed to complete on time so there will surely be financial penalties handed to them from the club. Safety is paramount so is this all really the fault of Tottenham?

Obviously we don't know what's been said and done behind the scenes but regardless of where the blame lies I can understand why some people are insisting on the current rules being applied, regardless of whether those rules make sense or not.



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First Champions League home game to be played at Wembley

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45248629



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Tottenham are now requesting special dispensation to switch a possible League Cup 3rd round game should they be drawn at home, Wembley isn't available during the week of the 3rd round ties which leaves reversing the fixture or finding another neutral ground.

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