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Not looking good for Garforth Rangers in the West Yorkshire League. Could their first team be the first one to fall this season? They lost all their league games last season and have lost 0-10, 0-8 and 0-18 in their three games so far this season. This weekends' game at Tingley Athletic has been postponed already. Not a good sign...



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...oh and in the YAL some divisions have been re-jigged. Beeston Juniors from premier div dropped down 2 divisions, St.Nicholas resigned from championship div (they had finished bottom of premier last season), Garforth Crusaders promoted an extra division and Wibsey straight into premier div instead of championship division...



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Craven League Hellifield Sports have dropped out again with no games played.In the WRCAL, AFC Bingley are unable to raise a team for tonight's game v Steeton. Their twitter page has gone too...not looking good for them.



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Salts seem to be struggling in the West Yorkshire league.

Have they lost players or is the standard far better than the WCAFL?


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It's a far higher standard in their new league. The WRCAL was always the stronger league until the last five or six years, now it is nowhere near as strong.



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Maybe mentioned earlier but Thornton United have withdrawn from the Yorkshire Amateur league.

Where did they come from? Is that their only team?


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Thornton United dropped out of the WRCAL premier during last season and were starting again in the YAL (their Sunday team in the Bradford Alliance remains unaffected). They lost several players to Toller, who are new in the WRCAL.
Toller and Thornton teams played a pre-season friendly which ended up with a big split in the Toller club. That ended up with Toller's Sunday team being wound up and a load of players leaving ...to be replaced by what was going to be the backbone of Thornton's team by the sound of it.The YAL committee were already extremely upset with Toller, who had been accepted into their league, but forgot to tell them that the WRCAL had also accepted them - they will be even less amused with Thornton's demise.
Who knows what their reaction will be if Toller apply for the YAL again if the WRCAL folds...

By the way, just the WRAGG league left to declare its'constitution in Yorkshire (the current divisional lists on full-time are incorrect).



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Not looking good for Garforth Rangers in the West Yorkshire League. Could their first team be the first one to fall this season? They lost all their league games last season and have lost 0-10, 0-8 and 0-18 in their three games so far this season. This weekends' game at Tingley Athletic has been postponed already. Not a good sign...
On Thursday I spoke to the Garforth secretary, a friend and ex-work colleague, at a reunion.
Apparently he submitted the club's resignation to the West Yorkshire league about three weeks ago, and has yet to receive an acknowledgement from them.
Garforth had a very young team, so much so that for the away game at Baildon, they were even struggling to have enough players old enough and eligible to drive the side to the match



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The West Riding County Amateur League has approached the Halifax & District League with a view to a merger at the end of the season. Halifax League clubs have yet to discuss the proposal.



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Would they retain Step 7?


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As long as they have 14 clubs in the top division with the required grading then 'yes' Smile



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Would definately be one of the poorer step 7 leagues but one of the best refereed.



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The West Riding County Amateur League has approached the Halifax & District League with a view to a merger at the end of the season. Halifax League clubs have yet to discuss the proposal.


I don’t see any need for this whatsoever.

Firstly, West Yorkshire does not need two Step 7 divisions, that is abundantly clear! And the two that do currently exist, completely overlap and have absolutely no border with each other! They both just exist within the county practically ignoring each other and acting completely autonomous of one another, which has left the territories in a complete mish mash mess!
Secondly – if Golcar depart, and the usual number of the WRCAL clubs fold or move elsewhere over the summer, then how is going to be a merger? At best there will be a band of 5 or 6 loyal clubs that stay with the ‘league’ until its end/transformation….so how exactly is this going to be a merger. The H&DL has 33 members to the WRCAL’s 12 (minus Golcar, its 11).

Just scrap the WRCAL League and be done with it, the Halifax & District League can (and should) just stay where it is. They can just take in some of the WRCAL refugees when the WRCAL Ship sinks beneath the waves.


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The West Riding County Amateur League has approached the Halifax & District League with a view to a merger at the end of the season. Halifax League clubs have yet to discuss the proposal.


I don’t see any need for this whatsoever.

Firstly, West Yorkshire does not need two Step 7 divisions, that is abundantly clear! And the two that do currently exist, completely overlap and have absolutely no border with each other! They both just exist within the county practically ignoring each other and acting completely autonomous of one another, which has left the territories in a complete mish mash mess!
Secondly – if Golcar depart, and the usual number of the WRCAL clubs fold or move elsewhere over the summer, then how is going to be a merger? At best there will be a band of 5 or 6 loyal clubs that stay with the ‘league’ until its end/transformation….so how exactly is this going to be a merger. The H&DL has 33 members to the WRCAL’s 12 (minus Golcar, its 11).

Just scrap the WRCAL League and be done with it, the Halifax & District League can (and should) just stay where it is. They can just take in some of the WRCAL refugees when the WRCAL Ship sinks beneath the waves.



Isn’t there a sort of separation in the two leagues footprints. With the WRAC covering Huddersfield, Halifax & west of this area. With the WYL mainly covering east of the WRAC. Although some ex-WRAC clubs in the WYL have muddied the water a bit.



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The West Riding County Amateur League has approached the Halifax & District League with a view to a merger at the end of the season. Halifax League clubs have yet to discuss the proposal.


I don’t see any need for this whatsoever.

Firstly, West Yorkshire does not need two Step 7 divisions, that is abundantly clear! And the two that do currently exist, completely overlap and have absolutely no border with each other! They both just exist within the county practically ignoring each other and acting completely autonomous of one another, which has left the territories in a complete mish mash mess!
Secondly – if Golcar depart, and the usual number of the WRCAL clubs fold or move elsewhere over the summer, then how is going to be a merger? At best there will be a band of 5 or 6 loyal clubs that stay with the ‘league’ until its end/transformation….so how exactly is this going to be a merger. The H&DL has 33 members to the WRCAL’s 12 (minus Golcar, its 11).

Just scrap the WRCAL League and be done with it, the Halifax & District League can (and should) just stay where it is. They can just take in some of the WRCAL refugees when the WRCAL Ship sinks beneath the waves.



Isn’t there a sort of separation in the two leagues footprints. With the WRAC covering Huddersfield, Halifax & west of this area. With the WYL mainly covering east of the WRAC. Although some ex-WRAC clubs in the WYL have muddied the water a bit.


No not at all, Huddersfield Amateur and Huddersfield YMCA as well as clubs further west of them (like Oxenhope Recreation) all play in the WYL, yet near neighbours Lepton Highlanders play in the WRCAL.

There is absolutely no border between the leagues.


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The West Riding County Amateur League has approached the Halifax & District League with a view to a merger at the end of the season. Halifax League clubs have yet to discuss the proposal.


I don’t see any need for this whatsoever.

Firstly, West Yorkshire does not need two Step 7 divisions, that is abundantly clear! And the two that do currently exist, completely overlap and have absolutely no border with each other! They both just exist within the county practically ignoring each other and acting completely autonomous of one another, which has left the territories in a complete mish mash mess!
Secondly – if Golcar depart, and the usual number of the WRCAL clubs fold or move elsewhere over the summer, then how is going to be a merger? At best there will be a band of 5 or 6 loyal clubs that stay with the ‘league’ until its end/transformation….so how exactly is this going to be a merger. The H&DL has 33 members to the WRCAL’s 12 (minus Golcar, its 11).

Just scrap the WRCAL League and be done with it, the Halifax & District League can (and should) just stay where it is. They can just take in some of the WRCAL refugees when the WRCAL Ship sinks beneath the waves.



Isn’t there a sort of separation in the two leagues footprints. With the WRAC covering Huddersfield, Halifax & west of this area. With the WYL mainly covering east of the WRAC. Although some ex-WRAC clubs in the WYL have muddied the water a bit.


No not at all, Huddersfield Amateur and Huddersfield YMCA as well as clubs further west of them (like Oxenhope Recreation) all play in the WYL, yet near neighbours Lepton Highlanders play in the WRCAL.

There is absolutely no border between the leagues.



YMCA are ex-WRCAL. Not too sure about the other clubs. What’s surprising is the FA sorted the boundaries between the CMLS & NSL last summer. But they never sorted these two leagues out.



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Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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The West Riding County Amateur League has approached the Halifax & District League with a view to a merger at the end of the season. Halifax League clubs have yet to discuss the proposal.


I don’t see any need for this whatsoever.

Firstly, West Yorkshire does not need two Step 7 divisions, that is abundantly clear! And the two that do currently exist, completely overlap and have absolutely no border with each other! They both just exist within the county practically ignoring each other and acting completely autonomous of one another, which has left the territories in a complete mish mash mess!
Secondly – if Golcar depart, and the usual number of the WRCAL clubs fold or move elsewhere over the summer, then how is going to be a merger? At best there will be a band of 5 or 6 loyal clubs that stay with the ‘league’ until its end/transformation….so how exactly is this going to be a merger. The H&DL has 33 members to the WRCAL’s 12 (minus Golcar, its 11).

Just scrap the WRCAL League and be done with it, the Halifax & District League can (and should) just stay where it is. They can just take in some of the WRCAL refugees when the WRCAL Ship sinks beneath the waves.



Isn’t there a sort of separation in the two leagues footprints. With the WRAC covering Huddersfield, Halifax & west of this area. With the WYL mainly covering east of the WRAC. Although some ex-WRAC clubs in the WYL have muddied the water a bit.


No not at all, Huddersfield Amateur and Huddersfield YMCA as well as clubs further west of them (like Oxenhope Recreation) all play in the WYL, yet near neighbours Lepton Highlanders play in the WRCAL.

There is absolutely no border between the leagues.



YMCA are ex-WRCAL. Not too sure about the other clubs. What’s surprising is the FA sorted the boundaries between the CMLS & NSL last summer. But they never sorted these two leagues out.


Why would they bother - the FA know full well that the WRCAL has no future now. They'll just deal with the clubs affected as and when the WRCAL folds.

Quite different to the CML and NSL scenario, where both leagues are growing!


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Why would they bother - the FA know full well that the WRCAL has no future now. They'll just deal with the clubs affected as and when the WRCAL folds.

Quite different to the CML and NSL scenario, where both leagues are growing!


If the FA removed Step 7 status (and therefore, cut of its funding), the WRCAL woudl not survive. The merger between the two leagues last year was heavily pushed by the FA, only for the league not to agree.

WRCAL woudl fall back to being under the control of WYCFA (and their funding). Any clubs wanting to stay at Step 7, can and should apply for a lateral transfer into WYAFL Prem Div. Allow the balance to fall back into the Halifax league.

If WYAFL has too many clubs in the Prem Division, the most easterly clubs - Sherburn White Rose and Knaresborough Reserves could move over to the York League (they are within the catchment area).


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Why would they bother - the FA know full well that the WRCAL has no future now. They'll just deal with the clubs affected as and when the WRCAL folds.

Quite different to the CML and NSL scenario, where both leagues are growing!


If the FA removed Step 7 status (and therefore, cut of its funding), the WRCAL woudl not survive. The merger between the two leagues last year was heavily pushed by the FA, only for the league not to agree.

WRCAL woudl fall back to being under the control of WYCFA (and their funding). Any clubs wanting to stay at Step 7, can and should apply for a lateral transfer into WYAFL Prem Div. Allow the balance to fall back into the Halifax league.

If WYAFL has too many clubs in the Prem Division, the most easterly clubs - Sherburn White Rose and Knaresborough Reserves could move over to the York League (they are within the catchment area).


Doesn't help much though if Sherburn and Knaresborough Town Ressies finish in the bottom two!


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The WRCAL was founded in 1922 with help from the Bradford FA, with a rival West Yorkshire Amateur League founded with backing from the Leeds FA at the same time. The West Yorkshire League was formed in 1939, when for a third time a Leeds League changed it's name to form county competition.
In 1922 there were three different competing 'county' leagues in West Yorkshire/Riding...with two district FAs fighting for dominance. The final acts of this fight are being fought right now.....all explained in my next book :)



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The WRCAL was founded in 1922 with help from the Bradford FA, with a rival West Yorkshire Amateur League founded with backing from the Leeds FA at the same time. The West Yorkshire League was formed in 1939, when for a third time a Leeds League changed it's name to form county competition.
In 1922 there were three different competing 'county' leagues in West Yorkshire/Riding...with two district FAs fighting for dominance. The final acts of this fight are being fought right now.....all explained in my next book :)


Thanks for explaining.

I don't see a fight anymore though - on the face of it (and almost certainly the reality) it appears the WRCAL have lost the final battle and now terminal.


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11 clubs left...Bradford Olympic folded



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Anybody have any information on the outcome of the mid-season meeting of WRCAL on 5th February?


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There was a another meeting of the WRCAL, WYL, YAL, West Riding FA & FA regarding the step 7 situation in the county and the problems of the WRCAL, It happened at the end of Jan, with a pretty sensible solution suggested. The YAL wants step 7 status but doesn't have sufficient clubs achieving that standard yet, so the FA suggested the remaining WRCAL league teams merge with their top division to create a step 7 league.



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There was a another meeting of the WRCAL, WYL, YAL, West Riding FA & FA regarding the step 7 situation in the county and the problems of the WRCAL, It happened at the end of Jan, with a pretty sensible solution suggested. The YAL wants step 7 status but doesn't have sufficient clubs achieving that standard yet, so the FA suggested the remaining WRCAL league teams merge with their top division to create a step 7 league.


Very interesting; is the plan to merge next season thus giving the YAL (/new league) step 7 status.

Will be interesting to see what happens to the teams who host teams in the WYL and YAL if the YAL gets step 7 (Mods, Cent, Hudds Amateur, Leeds City etc)

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