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jon b
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Thanks for clarifying the process.

I see it will be a secret ballot, so all those cabinet ministers coming out publicly saying they're backing her, may not actually vote for her. Or am I being too cynical? Unimpressed


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Today's PMQs should be entertaining in a horror movie sense. Even Jezza shouldn't be able to mess this one up.


Oh, yes he could. Frown


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Out of around 306)ish) tory MP's, 141 have stated that they will vote against May in the vote. It will be close



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Out of around 306)ish) tory MP's, 141 have stated that they will vote against May in the vote. It will be close


You mean for.

All May and her cronies are interested in is party not the country.

The other lots aren't much better but as not as extremely bad as the Tories at present for selfish self interest.


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Out of around 306)ish) tory MP's, 141 have stated that they will vote against May in the vote. It will be close


If that's the case her jacket is on a shoogly peg. You can be sure there'll be plenty who will not be open about stabbing her in the back for fear of appearing disloyal.

Bt they'll do it all the same.


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Out of around 306)ish) tory MP's, 141 have stated that they will vote against May in the vote. It will be close


If that's the case her jacket is on a shoogly peg. You can be sure there'll be plenty who will not be open about stabbing her in the back for fear of appearing disloyal.

Bt they'll do it all the same.


Not that close 200-117 majority 83.

Enough for her to bumble on.

What can’t happen now - she can’t be taken down by her own party for a year.

Indeed the only one who can take her down is Jeremy Corbyn.

So, she will still fail to get her Brexit deal through. Does this make a no-deal Brexit more likely?


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Out of around 306)ish) tory MP's, 141 have stated that they will vote against May in the vote. It will be close


If that's the case her jacket is on a shoogly peg. You can be sure there'll be plenty who will not be open about stabbing her in the back for fear of appearing disloyal.

Bt they'll do it all the same.


Not that close 200-117 majority 83.

Enough for her to bumble on.

What can’t happen now - she can’t be taken down by her own party for a year.

Indeed the only one who can take her down is Jeremy Corbyn.

So, she will still fail to get her Brexit deal through. Does this make a no-deal Brexit more likely?


It’s totally uncharted waters and absolutely anything could happen. I’ll take a wild guess (which chances are is completely wrong) and say Article 50 will be postponed to avoid crashing out with a no deal until Parliament can vote some kind of deal through. How they can agree on something is still the same problem that doesn’t seem to have an answer due to the current make up of the Commons.


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Resign now Theresa May, you are not working in the interest of the country just in the interest of your own hide. We need a leader who will put the country before themselves you are NOT that leader.

(Unfortunately I don't know who is that leader to replace her but she must go.)


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I would go for one of the former military men such as Johnny Mercer or Tobias Ellwood


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I would go for one of the former military men such as Johnny Mercer or Tobias Ellwood


Why?


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I would go for one of the former military men such as Johnny Mercer or Tobias Ellwood


Why?


Military figures are good at running countries, or at least holding them together - think Tito (Yugoslavia fell apart only a decade after his death) Gaddafi (look at Libya now that he is gone) or Saddam Hussain (although not the failed state that Libya now is, Iraq is less safe than it was under his rule)

If you want to be more specific, for example if you want to focus on the economy, get a businessman to run your country. The US economy has improved greatly since Trump became president, because he is a businessman rather than a career politician.

A career politician is seldom good at anything except telling lies.


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I would go for one of the former military men such as Johnny Mercer or Tobias Ellwood


Why?


Military figures are good at running countries, or at least holding them together - think Tito (Yugoslavia fell apart only a decade after his death) Gaddafi (look at Libya now that he is gone) or Saddam Hussain (although not the failed state that Libya now is, Iraq is less safe than it was under his rule)

If you want to be more specific, for example if you want to focus on the economy, get a businessman to run your country. The US economy has improved greatly since Trump became president, because he is a businessman rather than a career politician.

A career politician is seldom good at anything except telling lies.


You’re joking, right?


Sale Holmfield
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I would go for one of the former military men such as Johnny Mercer or Tobias Ellwood


Why?


Military figures are good at running countries, or at least holding them together - think Tito (Yugoslavia fell apart only a decade after his death) Gaddafi (look at Libya now that he is gone) or Saddam Hussain (although not the failed state that Libya now is, Iraq is less safe than it was under his rule)

If you want to be more specific, for example if you want to focus on the economy, get a businessman to run your country. The US economy has improved greatly since Trump became president, because he is a businessman rather than a career politician.

A career politician is seldom good at anything except telling lies.


You’re joking, right?


I think Greenwood might be trolling us, but what is apparent is that all the countries he mentions fell apart spectacularly after the loss of their military leaders,who had held disparate elements together by force. Compare that to the velvet divorce between the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

As for the USA, if and when Trump goes or is impeached... who knows, but he has tried to latch on to, or take over, a far right ideology rather than being a technocratic business manager; see how he has betrayed the Kurds today (not that he is the first American president to have done that) in his subservience to Russia.


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Perhaps you could be more specific though and tell me why you think I'm joking?
By the way, I wouldn't support military dictatorships or vote for Trump - I'm just trying to look at things from a neutral viewpoint.


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Perhaps you could be more specific though and tell me why you think I'm joking> (By the way, I wouldn't support military dictatorships or vote for Trump - I'm just trying to look at things from a neutral viewpoint, although I'm aware that other posters have been banned from the forum for doing that.)


So you wouldn’t support a military dictatorship but you put forward murderous military dictators to exemplify your argument.

Hmm.


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Perhaps you could be more specific though and tell me why you think I'm joking> (By the way, I wouldn't support military dictatorships or vote for Trump - I'm just trying to look at things from a neutral viewpoint, although I'm aware that other posters have been banned from the forum for doing that.)


So you wouldn’t support a military dictatorship but you put forward murderous military dictators to exemplify your argument.

Hmm.


Yes, that is true. Living under a benevolent dictator (there have been a few of these, although no-one remembers them) is the ideal compromise but a murderous one could arguably still be preferable to a failed state like Libya.


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I'm just trying to look at things from a neutral viewpoint, although I'm aware that other posters have been banned from the forum for doing that.)


Can you name one ?


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I'm just trying to look at things from a neutral viewpoint, although I'm aware that other posters have been banned from the forum for doing that.)


Can you name one ?


And I thought you would have been asking the names of benevolent dictators.



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I'm just trying to look at things from a neutral viewpoint, although I'm aware that other posters have been banned from the forum for doing that.)


Can you name one ?


And I thought you would have been asking the names of benevolent dictators.


Antonio Salazar of Portugal is the only 'benevolent dictator' that I can think of. Very right wing but despised the Nazis.



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Lord Havelock Vetinari.

The Patrician stood for no nonsense.


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Antonio Salazar.


Try telling that to the colonies



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What about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk?


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What about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk?


He probably gets the Ashers seal of approval.

And apparently the Armenians exaggerated everything....


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Ataturk had one of the major things that tends to blight attempts to be benevolent dictators, (as most at least start with good intentions - although I would not like to speak for Putin)

This is that he did not suffer from longevity. The view of his rule is tempered by the fact that much of his reform programme was in line with (and in some cases ahead of) thinking in western democracies.

If you look back at the careers of people like Suharto and Magabe, then when they first came to power they were popular - they could have won democratic elections. Power corrupts, and both these dictators became more corrupt as time went on. Their families and cohorts were enriching themselves out of connections to power. Both in their later years were more concerned with hanging on to power, (if only not to be arrested for what they have already done).



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Lord Havelock Vetinari.

The Patrician stood for no nonsense.


I had to google him to find out who he was and was surprised to discover that he is a science-fiction character.

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