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...Usually a club can only enter the NLS at Step 7. However, a League may seek approval from the Committee to receive a club or team not currently in membership of a League...

...it is a League that must apply for a Club to be entered in to their competition, not the Club itself...

...Any decision shall only be capable of Appeal to The Association by the affected League.


One potentially interesting point here is that a club outside the usual system needs to be effectively sponsored by a league to get in.

In the past I guess a club could kind of apply centrally and, if accepted, a League would be told to accept them. This seems to have changed and could end up with different decisions being implemented in different parts of the country.


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...Usually a club can only enter the NLS at Step 7. However, a League may seek approval from the Committee to receive a club or team not currently in membership of a League...

...it is a League that must apply for a Club to be entered in to their competition, not the Club itself...

...Any decision shall only be capable of Appeal to The Association by the affected League.


One potentially interesting point here is that a club outside the usual system needs to be effectively sponsored by a league to get in.

In the past I guess a club could kind of apply centrally and, if accepted, a League would be told to accept them. This seems to have changed and could end up with different decisions being implemented in different parts of the country.



I know one club that might be looking into this & they’re Durham Utd. The only issue is I doubt there’ll be a space for them in the NL2. After all the normal promotion & relegation issues have been sorted. In previous seasons, I think there would’ve space for them. I know Jersey have been mentioned for the CCL.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Looking at step 5, the East Midlands clubs are now even more split than ever before(if we end up with something close to your projection). We are left with just 4 East Midlands clubs in the MFL Prem. If Spalding Utd avoids the drop & replaced by an ex-NCEL club. We’ll still have 4 clubs in the MFL, but they’ll be even more isolated & it’ll leave a single East Midlands club in the NCEL Prem. I really hope the FA are looking towards the East Midlands to create the new step 5 league for 2020/21 season. But I’ve got a niggling feeling that they’ll look towards the West Midlands.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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I understand that in the Beds County League Shefford Town & Campton plus Cranfield Utd are both applying for promotion. Wootton Blue Cross have ambitions to apply, but they may not be ready this season.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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A preliminary look suggests that, for Step 1-6 hoppers, next season may pose fewer difficulties than this in completion/recompletion, a number of leagues will either not be providing a club (eg Oxon Senior) or a returning club (eg Lincs) or an existing Step 6+ ground (eg Middx). I'm looking at 20-23 excluding new builds - others will have more or less depending on how many of the likely SWPL promotees they need.


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Ashville from the West Cheshire league are applying for promotion



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Ashville from the West Cheshire league are applying for promotion


The facilities are certainly there. Just need to work things out on the pitch now...


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first time ive had a proper look through this,
One thing that jumped out at me is Skegness Town in the East Midlands counties League. Surely a swap with Shirebrook Town would make more sense, especially as you placed Ollerton in there, Shirebrook is further west than Ollerton and far better Suited to That league than Skegness.

Shows how crazy the whole situation is when Newark Flowserve are projected as being in the UCL prem, i can see why theyve been placed there, but i wouldnt have imagined that was where they would go, I would have thought, NCEL or maybe Midlands prem, but i cant see who would switch to make it work with that one.


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first time ive had a proper look through this,
One thing that jumped out at me is Skegness Town in the East Midlands counties League. Surely a swap with Shirebrook Town would make more sense, especially as you placed Ollerton in there, Shirebrook is further west than Ollerton and far better Suited to That league than Skegness.

Shows how crazy the whole situation is when Newark Flowserve are projected as being in the UCL prem, i can see why theyve been placed there, but i wouldnt have imagined that was where they would go, I would have thought, NCEL or maybe Midlands prem, but i cant see who would switch to make it work with that one.



Flowserve are from Balderton & I reckon their nearest clubs at step 5/6 are Sleaford Town & Harrowby Utd. Whether the league committee decides to move more Leicestershire clubs from the MFL, instead of placing Flowserve in the UCL, we’ll have to wait & see. But the NCEL1 runners up, are just outside the promotion places on a ppg basis & if they are promoted too. Then I can’t see Flowserve being placed in anywhere but the UCL.
We have a strange situation, where the Notts/Derbys clubs, are stuck out on a limb in the MFL Prem & NCEL Prem. Hopefully whenever the new restructuring occurs, they’ll all be placed in a league that utilities the M1/A1 corridor.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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just had a quick look, and I think your right, unless Carlton town were to get relegated, who then would be their nearest step 5 club I think, well at least as the crow flies, maybe not in terms of roads.


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just had a quick look, and I think your right, unless Carlton town were to get relegated, who then would be their nearest step 5 club I think, well at least as the crow flies, maybe not in terms of roads.



Where their ground is(off Hawton Lane Balderton), I’d say it’d take 25mins to get to Harrowby’s ground. Dunkirk look like they might drop back down, so Long Eaton Utd must be the nearest MFL Prem ground & that’s got to be a good 45mins drive. If AFC Mansfield are also relegated & end up in either the MFL Prem or NCEL Prem, then that’s 35-40mins away. Sleaford Town’s ground must be no more than 30-35mins away.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Hi.

I’ve just been looking at the latest projections and I can’t help but notice some rather absurd Step 6 reprieves.

The FA are seemingly now obsessed with awarding clubs certain privileges based on their PPG ratio on the basis that it is compared with all comparable clubs in the same position acorss the country. For example PPG being used to promote some of the second placed sides at Step 6. PPG is also now used in the palyoff charade at Step 4.

To make things consistent across the board surely they must use the same approach with relegation from Step 6. Your projections at the moment shows some Harworth Colliery, Daisy Hill and Brandon United as being relegated. OK they aren’t (and haven’t for quite some time in the latter two’s case) setting their divisions alight but it is categorically wrong to relegate these clubs based on their geography alone. That is what you are predicting the FA will do, sadly. It’s practically discrimination.

And at the same time a club that has already shipped 200 goals before Christmas (New College Swindon) and their notorious divisional neighbours Tytherington Rocks (who have now scored just 3 points in 2 years and those three points came from beating…yes..…New College Swindon) continue to be afforded Step 6 status, due to where in England they play. Tytherington’s record at this level is so bad that they have now only amassed 48 points in the last FIVE years.

If you are predicting, at present, that 12 Step 6 clubs will be relegated to Sep 7 – then I am of the opinion that it should be the worst 12 clubs in the country at that level.

So it should be these 12 that go down:

Borrowash Victoria 0.33
Chinnor 0.33
North Leigh United 0.33
Ellesmere Rangers 0.31
Needham Market Reserves 0.31
Tytherington Rocks 0.27
Littleton 0.25
Hatfield Town 0.22
New College Swindon 0.21
FC Bolsover 0.19
Sticker 0.17
Arnold Town 0.14


Or it should be the worst 12 BOTTOM placed sides. But that saves the dreaded Tyhtherington – so I’d rather the above.


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If they go for the worst-placed bottom clubs, which seems sensible to me, then we're back into the 'are Carterton/Bicester deemed to be bottom because they folded' argument that applies in the NL a step above. So we still might not lose New College or Tytherington!


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You can forget the idea of Sticker being relegated; all the current SWP Premier clubs are "Priority One" for places in the two new Step 6 divisions.


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im confident the bottom 2 will get a reprieve in the northern league, the league is running with 2 clubs short which will be 3 when one goes up. not exactly many (if any) teams certs for relegation in the leagues catchment area.



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You can forget the idea of Sticker being relegated; all the current SWP Premier clubs are "Priority One" for places in the two new Step 6 divisions.


So it’ll be like last year all over again then. Teams with 30-40 points and not finishing bottom relegated to Step 7 whilst Sticker don’t have to score another point this season and can just pack up now (not literally as that’d be different) and New College Swindon, Arnold, Borrowash and Tytherington can play Who Can Let In The Most Goals all the way up until May and still not go down.


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It comes down to where you think the base of the "perfect pyramid" should be.

Above this, all decisions are national, points per game should rule the roost (as the fairest if not best way to do things, as inter-league play offs for relegation are not something under consideration). This means any club on any boundary can be shifted to a neighbouring league. Below this, it is regional - so in one region an abysmal club can be spared the drop, which a much better club in another area gets relegated.
My view is that a hybrid version is required. In most of the country, including the Hellenic League step 6 is pooled, but some (I think two) areas are ring fenced. The South West Peninsular league should not stretch outside Devon (at least by more than a few miles), while the Northern League requires a Southern limit. No current Northern League club should ever be considered as a potential member of the Northern Counties (East) and only Pickering are eligible to move the other way.



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It comes down to where you think the base of the "perfect pyramid" should be.

Above this, all decisions are national, points per game should rule the roost (as the fairest if not best way to do things, as inter-league play offs for relegation are not something under consideration). This means any club on any boundary can be shifted to a neighbouring league. Below this, it is regional - so in one region an abysmal club can be spared the drop, which a much better club in another area gets relegated.
My view is that a hybrid version is required. In most of the country, including the Hellenic League step 6 is pooled, but some (I think two) areas are ring fenced. The South West Peninsular league should not stretch outside Devon (at least by more than a few miles), while the Northern League requires a Southern limit. No current Northern League club should ever be considered as a potential member of the Northern Counties (East) and only Pickering are eligible to move the other way.


Can I ask you to justify two such sweeping statements:

Can you explain why Devon clubs should not be required to travel outside their own cosy little county at Step 6, yet the rest of the country must?

And can you explain your statement on the Northern League. Why should Northalletrton Town, for example, never, under any circumstance ever be moved to the NCEL? Especially as the NCEL keeps losing its southern most members to the EMCL (at Step 6) and MFL (at Step 5), making it less and less daunting for the likes of Northallerton, as the years go by!


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It is because I do not think the perfect pyramid can extend to these corners. Any step 6 side that is outside what is now the Devon/Cornwall bubble enters a league that stretches beyond Bristol. The Northern Counties (East) may contract in time to become a Yorkshire League, but it has not done so yet.

We have a surfeit of clubs trying to move up from step 7, especially around London (on shared grounds). Allowing these in and contracting the league areas in the south means increasing the areas elsewhere.

In turn, an outlying club in another area, Northallerton is a good example - cannot find the players to maintain its position from the local populace alone. It is playing in the Northern League and almost certainly recruinging players from the next conurbation of population to the north. If they were to switch to a Yorkshire based league, this would cause great disruption to the club. They would have to turn their recruitment on its head overnight, and there would be a strong possibility that a change places the club in danger of folding or voluntarily dropping a division

I think the FA has painted itself into a poor corner in the South West. With Step 6 leagues in both Devon and Cornwall, they now need a Step 5 league that does not go far beyond these two counties' borders. However, there is no indication that they are considering this, or could get the clubs to fill it.



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Can I ask you to justify two such sweeping statements:

Can you explain why Devon clubs should not be required to travel outside their own cosy little county at Step 6, yet the rest of the country must?


Compare the mileage for potential teams in the new Step 6 divisions with that of the East Midlands Counties League, doesn't look like much difference.


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It comes down to where you think the base of the "perfect pyramid" should be.

Above this, all decisions are national, points per game should rule the roost (as the fairest if not best way to do things, as inter-league play offs for relegation are not something under consideration). This means any club on any boundary can be shifted to a neighbouring league. Below this, it is regional - so in one region an abysmal club can be spared the drop, which a much better club in another area gets relegated.
My view is that a hybrid version is required. In most of the country, including the Hellenic League step 6 is pooled, but some (I think two) areas are ring fenced. The South West Peninsular league should not stretch outside Devon (at least by more than a few miles), while the Northern League requires a Southern limit. No current Northern League club should ever be considered as a potential member of the Northern Counties (East) and only Pickering are eligible to move the other way.



Pickering are at step 4 now. I checked Knaresborough’s mileage, if they are laterally transferred to the NL at the end of the season. It’s actually not too bad compared to this season in the NCEL. If Harrogate RA are relegated this season(which looks likely). Then Knaresborough closest clubs are Northallerton & Garforth(the southern most NL club & the projected next most northerly NCEL club)& they sit almost halfway between them. It’s only 94 miles to Ashington & 74 miles to Forest Town(AFC Mansfield, if they are relegated).



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Dec 18, 2018, 7:11 PM)


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Which is fine, Windy if Knaresborough's players all live in Knaresborough and the vicinity - but if they recruit in the Leeds/Bradford conurbation, then this changes the logic



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Which is fine, Windy if Knaresborough's players all live in Knaresborough and the vicinity - but if they recruit in the Leeds/Bradford conurbation, then this changes the logic



For good or bad, lateral transfers are now part of the the FA’s pyramid(from steps 2-7). Lots of clubs up & down the country have been laterally moved over the past few years. Some have found it a struggle & other’s have benefited from it. I’d guess that Knaresborough are most likely recruiting players from Leeds/Bradford/Halifax/Huddersfield & might have to look at players from Teesside next season(if they’re moved across).



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Which is fine, Windy if Knaresborough's players all live in Knaresborough and the vicinity - but if they recruit in the Leeds/Bradford conurbation, then this changes the logic


To the spreadsheet warriors all that matters is where a club is based. The fact that the local population cannot provide the number of players of the required standard for a particular level, hence they must recruit from larger conurbations, is of no relevance. Their spreadsheets tell them that as club x is xx miles from club y (the furthest away in an adjacent league) a transfer will cause no problems at all. The warriors, of course, are highly unlikely to have set foot in the places whose clubs they think should be reallocated, probably not even within 50 miles of them, but that won't matter.

Unfortunately, I am not talking about spreadsheet warriors on internet fora, who can safely be ignored, but those in positions where actual decisions are made which affect the wellbeing (or otherwise) of real football clubs.


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Which is fine, Windy if Knaresborough's players all live in Knaresborough and the vicinity - but if they recruit in the Leeds/Bradford conurbation, then this changes the logic


To the spreadsheet warriors all that matters is where a club is based. The fact that the local population cannot provide the number of players of the required standard for a particular level, hence they must recruit from larger conurbations, is of no relevance. Their spreadsheets tell them that as club x is xx miles from club y (the furthest away in an adjacent league) a transfer will cause no problems at all. The warriors, of course, are highly unlikely to have set foot in the places whose clubs they think should be reallocated, probably not even within 50 miles of them, but that won't matter.

Unfortunately, I am not talking about spreadsheet warriors on internet fora, who can safely be ignored, but those in positions where actual decisions are made which affect the wellbeing (or otherwise) of real football clubs.


Spreadsheet warriors or not, it is far from irrelevant and cannot be ignored.

Do you really think the FA will start looking at where every last club at Steps 5 and 6 recruits their players from? What are they going to do - send out surveys to every club in the land and request the home addresses of all their current squad and then club by club work out where the club should be placed based on this statistical data. Really? Come on - they look at a map and stick clubs in leagues based on that.


Rightly or wrong, but most understandably thats it. If clubs like Knaresborough want to continue playing at the level they do then they WILL go wherever the FA sends them at the end of the day! The NCEL cannot protect them, and whilst the club can appeal any movement its proven in the past to be a waste of time and money.

Step 5 and 6 allocations are no longer made up of individual applications made by the clubs themselves to a particular league they are interested in joining.

The application is now made to the FA, and the application is effectively for promotion to the next step, not a league.

So, whilst its important to a club where their players live, the FA don't care! And so it actually thoughts like yours that can be safely ignored, not the other way round.

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