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A.G.Ricer
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Rugby Borough & Saffron Dynamo from the LSL have both applied for promotion



I assume Rugby Borough will be groundsharing at Rugby Town as a 3G cage, with only one side for spectators and no seats and a small bit of cover will not be good enough for step 6 football.


Rugby Town Juniors (of which Rugby Borough are an adjunct) have applied for planning permission to erect a 50 seater stand behind the goal at the north end of the pitch. This end is caged and has banners all over it so presently impossible to view the game from. Presumably they will have to take the cage down at that end. The view from this proposed stand is going to be poor so, I imagine , it's more to do with having a ground grading than providing usable facilities


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Rugby Borough & Saffron Dynamo from the LSL have both applied for promotion



I assume Rugby Borough will be groundsharing at Rugby Town as a 3G cage, with only one side for spectators and no seats and a small bit of cover will not be good enough for step 6 football.


Rugby Town Juniors (of which Rugby Borough are an adjunct) have applied for planning permission to erect a 50 seater stand behind the goal at the north end of the pitch. This end is caged and has banners all over it so presently impossible to view the game from. Presumably they will have to take the cage down at that end. The view from this proposed stand is going to be poor so, I imagine , it's more to do with having a ground grading than providing usable facilities



I’ been told that FC GNG & FC Khalsa GAD have also applied



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Very strange as Khalsa left Judge Meadow CC to use the 3G facilities at Aylestone Park FC which a previous poster recently stated are not up to step 6 requirements. They may have a plan to move on to the main pitch of course should promotion be achieved but wonder if they have discussed such a plan with AP.


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Infinity, Fleetlands and Stockbridge have been confirmed as the applicants from the Hampshire Premier League. Stockbridge achieved the grading last year so shouldn’t be an issue, Infinity has a fairly small pitch and doesn’t have lights or a barrier last I saw and Fleetlands I believe are limited in terms of lights because of the military facility next door. Anybody know of potential ground development plans at Infinity or Fleetlands?


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Infinity, Fleetlands and Stockbridge have been confirmed as the applicants from the Hampshire Premier League. Stockbridge achieved the grading last year so shouldn’t be an issue, Infinity has a fairly small pitch and doesn’t have lights or a barrier last I saw and Fleetlands I believe are limited in terms of lights because of the military facility next door. Anybody know of potential ground development plans at Infinity or Fleetlands?



Infinity told me in December that they were giving themselves enough time to get the required jobs done.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Whilst I understand that some of the clubs shown as provisionally promoted from Step 7 to 6 might be placeholders, would anybody be able to provide an update on the status (if any) of the sides displayed within the two NWCFL divisions? Specifically, Blackpool Wren Rovers, Foley Meir, Golcar United, Ilkley Town, Pilkington and Waterloo Dock. Thanks!


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Whilst I understand that some of the clubs shown as provisionally promoted from Step 7 to 6 might be placeholders, would anybody be able to provide an update on the status (if any) of the sides displayed within the two NWCFL divisions? Specifically, Blackpool Wren Rovers, Foley Meir, Golcar United, Ilkley Town, Pilkington and Waterloo Dock. Thanks!



The FA should release the step 7 applicants list in the next couple of weeks. Blackpool WR haven’t applied.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Rayleigh look set to apply from the Olympian. Floodlights soon to be going in, just as they build a housing estate almost right next to it.


Rushcliffe
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Reading this thread with a lot of interest Re: lateral movements etc. all hypothetical reasoning though at the moment.
Our newly formed club Rushcliffe FC will Join the Notts Senior League next season (actually playing our first friendly on Jan 19th) We are very much a Nottingham based club, Rushcliffe is the borough council in which Nottingham Forest are based etc... but we our home ground is on the very southernmost tip of the borough, in a village called East leake, which is actually considered as part of Loughborough in terms of postcode etc, all our players are Nottingham players.
Should we be successful, which is obviously our plan to be, I do wonder what may happen once we eventually reach step 7 (the NSL 2 which we will start off at is in effect step 9) I do wonder what the chances are if us being laterally moved to the Leicester senior league, and likewise further on from that if we were to be playing in step 6 would we find ourselves in the east midlands counties league, the midlands league or maybe the united counties league.
To me our ground location actually may put us in an awkward position upon any success.
Like I said its all hypothetical currently but as a club we like to plan ahead and this is certainly something I have wondered about.
To me we are a Nottingham club, simple as that, not Leicester. A move to the LSL would not be at all in our favour.


AndyE
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If you want the football authorities to treat you strictly as a Nottingham club then play in Nottingham!

On the other hand, Nottingham already has lots of teams at Step 6 and 7 level, and you have to compete with them for players. East Leake is certainly big enough to support a team at Step 7, and at the moment anyone from East Leake who plays serious football probably does it in either Nottingham or Loughborough. If you establish yourselves as East Leake's team, you might start to attract players from south of Nottingham.

Which direction you'd be sent in at the higher levels is impossible to guess because it depends on a thousand things. But Leicester isn't very much further than Nottingham, and the longest away trip based on the current Step 7 divisions is Southwell in Notts and Rugby in Leics. Having teams from Rugby in a Leicestershire league probably won't become a regular thing, but if it does, yes it's further than Southwell but the M1 is quite convenient.

For the moment though, having to find the players to play in a Step 7 league in Leicestershire is a nice problem to have in the future. Win your Step 9 league first!


Rushcliffe
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If you want the football authorities to treat you strictly as a Nottingham club then play in Nottingham!

On the other hand, Nottingham already has lots of teams at Step 6 and 7 level, and you have to compete with them for players. East Leake is certainly big enough to support a team at Step 7, and at the moment anyone from East Leake who plays serious football probably does it in either Nottingham or Loughborough. If you establish yourselves as East Leake's team, you might start to attract players from south of Nottingham.

Which direction you'd be sent in at the higher levels is impossible to guess because it depends on a thousand things. But Leicester isn't very much further than Nottingham, and the longest away trip based on the current Step 7 divisions is Southwell in Notts and Rugby in Leics. Having teams from Rugby in a Leicestershire league probably won't become a regular thing, but if it does, yes it's further than Southwell but the M1 is quite convenient.

For the moment though, having to find the players to play in a Step 7 league in Leicestershire is a nice problem to have in the future. Win your Step 9 league first!


Completely agree that we may be years and years from step 7. The Notts senior League is a strong league and also as things stand our ground would only take us as far as step 7 anyway. But to me its nice to have targets, and while our first target is to complete our first season and not end up being the whipping boys its nice to look at what the future could hold too.

One thing to clarify though is you say if we want to be treated as a Nottingham club then play in Nottingham.. Rushcliffe is definitely in Nottingham, with Nottingham Forest being in the same council area of Rushcliffe and no one would ever say they aren't from Nottingham. Its our Postcode starting with LE rather than NG that may one day lead to problems, despite us being 8 miles from Nottingham city centre and 14 miles from Leicester city centre. but 4.5 miles from Loughborough (which is obviously Leicestershire) think it leaves us in a funny place geographically.
I guess we will just worry about that if we get that far haha
Long way to go til then.


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shimtoan
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I know you mention East Leake being in the same Council as Nottingham Forest play in, but Forest played in what is now the City for the first 43 years of their existence, and the City Ground was part of the City until 1925.

East Leake is very much not Nottingham, much as West Bridgford doesn't consider itself as such.

East Leake had a club until about 15 years ago, East Leake Athletic, and they were in the NSL between 1995/96 and 2003/04. I'm not sure whereabouts they played, but it was possibly at the Rugby Club.

Would you be playing at the Rugby Club, or the Academy/Leisure Centre, or elsewhere entirely?



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Rushcliffe
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Costock Road which is where there was once a rugby club.

Maybe im looking at it from my own point of view as im originally from Clifton, which is part of Nottingham City, yet east leake is only 5 mins up the road. Our players are definitely south Notts, a lot of Clifton, some east leake, some Ruddington and dotted around various south Notts places anywhere between East leake and the Meadows. Our manager joined from Clipstone and brought half a dozen lads from up that sort of way too. Leicester is definitely not our plan, but like I said will worry about that if we get to that point.


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Costock Road which is where there was once a rugby club.

In recent years sides playing out of East Leake play and haved played in the North Leicestershire League. Currently there is East Leake Robins in division 1.

An anomoly I know of is that teams from East Leake and Sutton Bonington, which is also in Nottinghamshire compete in the Leicestershire & Rutland FA County Cups. I did ask the manager of SB a couple of years ago why this was the case, and he had no idea and that is just the way it is.



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I think that's likely down to what county FA they affiliate with. Those who have maybe grown up around Loughborough etc might feel more comfortable as Leicestershire and thus register as a new club with Leicestershire FA and therfore into the Leicestershire county cup.

The opposite end of Notts youve got Worksop who im fairly certain are affiliated to sheffield rather than Notts and therefore Worksop based clubs tend to be in the Sheffield county cup


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I've now updated my document which hopefully puts a load of this season's tables and rules in one place. I'm confident with everything from Step 3 down to the promotion of Step 5, but below that it's too sketchy. Any help greatly appreciated. http://bit.ly/PPG1819



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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There’s a section about Brackley Town Saints. In an article in the ‘Football in Bracknell’. In an interview with the club manager Gordon Kille. He was asked if the club can go up & his answer was “The simple answer is yes. We are a separate club to Brackley Town. Although many links are shared with them, we are as far as the FA are concerned, and they’re the ones that matter, a separate entity and eligible for promotion.” https://www.footballinbracknell.co.uk/...tion-and-relegation/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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There’s a section about Brackley Town Saints. In an article in the ‘Football in Bracknell’. In an interview with the club manager Gordon Kille. He was asked if the club can go up & his answer was “The simple answer is yes. We are a separate club to Brackley Town. Although many links are shared with them, we are as far as the FA are concerned, and they’re the ones that matter, a separate entity and eligible for promotion.” https://www.footballinbracknell.co.uk/...tion-and-relegation/


Interesting but if i were in his position i would not be that confident about anything.
Also it states someones view that step 7 clubs do not have to apply for promotion this year.
Is that right? I thought they did have to apply.


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Whilst I understand that some of the clubs shown as provisionally promoted from Step 7 to 6 might be placeholders, would anybody be able to provide an update on the status (if any) of the sides displayed within the two NWCFL divisions? Specifically, Blackpool Wren Rovers, Foley Meir, Golcar United, Ilkley Town, Pilkington and Waterloo Dock. Thanks!



The FA should release the step 7 applicants list in the next couple of weeks. Blackpool WR haven’t applied.


Any particular reason why Blackpool Rovers refuse to apply? They've played in the NWCL before, they have the ground (I presume it wouldn't need much work), they've not finished outside the top two in the West Lancs League since 2007 and the NWCL's second tier is now regionalised, so their travelling would be a lot less and they'd not face any trips to Cheshire of Merseyside.

So I assume they're just happy Billy Big Bollocks in a now pretty weak Step 7 division?

Floundering in a division, and refusing to Step up year on year usually ends in disaster!


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Any particular reason why Blackpool Rovers refuse to apply? They've played in the NWCL before, they have the ground (I presume it wouldn't need much work), they've not finished outside the top two in the West Lancs League since 2007 and the NWCL's second tier is now regionalised, so their travelling would be a lot less and they'd not face any trips to Cheshire of Merseyside.

So I assume they're just happy Billy Big Bollocks in a now pretty weak Step 7 division?

Floundering in a division, and refusing to Step up year on year usually ends in disaster!


I don't follow step 7 or lower a great deal these days so I'm not disputing you, but can you give us a few examples of these disasters you refer to? Just seems odd to suggest that a club that hasn't finished outside the top 2 for eleven years is floundering and heading for disaster.

Btw there are three Merseyside clubs in the NWC Div 1 North.


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Any particular reason why Blackpool Rovers refuse to apply? They've played in the NWCL before, they have the ground (I presume it wouldn't need much work), they've not finished outside the top two in the West Lancs League since 2007 and the NWCL's second tier is now regionalised, so their travelling would be a lot less and they'd not face any trips to Cheshire of Merseyside.

So I assume they're just happy Billy Big Bollocks in a now pretty weak Step 7 division?

Floundering in a division, and refusing to Step up year on year usually ends in disaster!


I don't follow step 7 or lower a great deal these days so I'm not disputing you, but can you give us a few examples of these disasters you refer to? Just seems odd to suggest that a club that hasn't finished outside the top 2 for eleven years is floundering and heading for disaster.

Btw there are three Merseyside clubs in the NWC Div 1 North.


It happens all the time.I'm not saying it will happen to Blacpool Rovers but its a risk if they continue on this rut.

Some examples. Bishop Sutton won the Western League, didn't go up, relegated a year later as players left, same when Corsham Town won the league. Countless UCL Prem winners won the league, didn't or couldn't go up and lost their teams as a result, and ended up getting relegated to Div One a few seasons later (Long Buckby, S&L Corby, Stotfold).

Winterton Rangers experienced the same when they refused to go up to the NPL after winning the NCEL.

These are all of off the top of my head and not even looking into the triumphs and woes of Step 7 clubs that refuse to budge - I am sure there are loads that have suffered due to the players wanting more/progress but the people running the club stubbornly refusing to allow it to go up, for whatever reason, good or bad/scared!

Its also the reason Reading YMCA have folded this season. Maybe its why we lost Aigburth Peoples Hall of the Liverpool Premier League?? A dominant force for years but couldn't develop their ground. Did West Yorks side Bardsey go for s similar reason after years of league and local cup success but no prospect to progress beyond where they'd reached?

Otterbourne in Hampshire are another one - finished 3rd and 2nd in their final two season, and then folded...

I'm not sure of the reasons for any of these closures but these are all clubs that were dominant for years, and were at the top of their game (or at leats a season or two after winning their most recent title) when they decided to close their doors and fold...


All I am saying is now that the West Lancs League is weakening, and now that the NCWL Div One is regionalised, thus reducing any travel increase a step up would bring, compared to before, that if they continue to stagnate at Step 7, eventually they will struggle to attract players, when the club's complete lack of ambition is overtaken by the local players realising the step up to NWCL football not being such a huge geographical step as it was 5 years ago!


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Any particular reason why Blackpool Rovers refuse to apply? They've played in the NWCL before, they have the ground (I presume it wouldn't need much work), they've not finished outside the top two in the West Lancs League since 2007 and the NWCL's second tier is now regionalised, so their travelling would be a lot less and they'd not face any trips to Cheshire of Merseyside.

So I assume they're just happy Billy Big Bollocks in a now pretty weak Step 7 division?

Floundering in a division, and refusing to Step up year on year usually ends in disaster!


I don't follow step 7 or lower a great deal these days so I'm not disputing you, but can you give us a few examples of these disasters you refer to? Just seems odd to suggest that a club that hasn't finished outside the top 2 for eleven years is floundering and heading for disaster.

Btw there are three Merseyside clubs in the NWC Div 1 North.


It happens all the time.I'm not saying it will happen to Blacpool Rovers but its a risk if they continue on this rut.

Some examples. Bishop Sutton won the Western League, didn't go up, relegated a year later as players left, same when Corsham Town won the league. Countless UCL Prem winners won the league, didn't or couldn't go up and lost their teams as a result, and ended up getting relegated to Div One a few seasons later (Long Buckby, S&L Corby, Stotfold).

Winterton Rangers experienced the same when they refused to go up to the NPL after winning the NCEL.

These are all of off the top of my head and not even looking into the triumphs and woes of Step 7 clubs that refuse to budge - I am sure there are loads that have suffered due to the players wanting more/progress but the people running the club stubbornly refusing to allow it to go up, for whatever reason, good or bad/scared!

Its also the reason Reading YMCA have folded this season. Maybe its why we lost Aigburth Peoples Hall of the Liverpool Premier League?? A dominant force for years but couldn't develop their ground. Did West Yorks side Bardsey go for s similar reason after years of league and local cup success but no prospect to progress beyond where they'd reached?

Otterbourne in Hampshire are another one - finished 3rd and 2nd in their final two season, and then folded...

I'm not sure of the reasons for any of these closures but these are all clubs that were dominant for years, and were at the top of their game (or at leats a season or two after winning their most recent title) when they decided to close their doors and fold...


All I am saying is now that the West Lancs League is weakening, and now that the NCWL Div One is regionalised, thus reducing any travel increase a step up would bring, compared to before, that if they continue to stagnate at Step 7, eventually they will struggle to attract players, when the club's complete lack of ambition is overtaken by the local players realising the step up to NWCL football not being such a huge geographical step as it was 5 years ago!



I believe Blackpool WR don’t have enough Committee members. They’ve also got to compete with other local sides to get enough fans through the gates.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


kirby knitters
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I was recently involved with a club that had/have no committee members or fans but manage to keep their heads above water in step 5.


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My comment specifically focused on step 7 and below as that's the level that's traditionally been a kind of divide between clubs and players willing to travel and those who wish to simply play in their own back yard, for all sorts of valid reasons including cost and time commitment, both on and off the pitch.

I agree the restructuring and availability of grants has made some inroads into reducing that divide but I'm not convinced that those clubs and players for whom it remains too big a cost/time commitment are, de facto, in a rut or stagnating. Indeed there are examples of clubs who felt encouraged to make that leap but quickly found it was more than they could handle and dropped back down to county level, sometimes within months e.g. Whittlesey.

At the end of the day, most county level clubs are reliant on a handful (if they're lucky) of volunteers and their very existence depends largely on their enthusiasm. But these days such enthusiasm cannot be taken for granted, likewise developing a succession line of enthusiastic volunteers, and these seem to be amongst the biggest challenges facing step 7 clubs simply to survive. To then consider moving up to the next level relies not only on enthusiasm but also an ability to raise funds, develop infrastructure and commit greater time. Although more are going for it these days, it's still far too big a burden for the majority of step 7 clubs to take on, even if they were tempted to in the first place, so I'm not at all convinced their inability to do so is contributing to their demise.


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My comment specifically focused on step 7 and below as that's the level that's traditionally been a kind of divide between clubs and players willing to travel and those who wish to simply play in their own back yard, for all sorts of valid reasons including cost and time commitment, both on and off the pitch.

I agree the restructuring and availability of grants has made some inroads into reducing that divide but I'm not convinced that those clubs and players for whom it remains too big a cost/time commitment are, de facto, in a rut or stagnating. Indeed there are examples of clubs who felt encouraged to make that leap but quickly found it was more than they could handle and dropped back down to county level, sometimes within months e.g. Whittlesey.

At the end of the day, most county level clubs are reliant on a handful (if they're lucky) of volunteers and their very existence depends largely on their enthusiasm. But these days such enthusiasm cannot be taken for granted, likewise developing a succession line of enthusiastic volunteers, and these seem to be amongst the biggest challenges facing step 7 clubs simply to survive. To then consider moving up to the next level relies not only on enthusiasm but also an ability to raise funds, develop infrastructure and commit greater time. Although more are going for it these days, it's still far too big a burden for the majority of step 7 clubs to take on, even if they were tempted to in the first place, so I'm not at all convinced their inability to do so is contributing to their demise.


I think we both raise valid points and its a fine line.

I guess we shall see!

All I will say is, there are far more examples of clubs packing it in after years of sustained success, presumably their demise at least in part linked to the club’s refusal or in most cases inability, (due to their ground) to step up to the next rung on the ladder, than there are examples of clubs continuing to thrive in a division that they won’t or can’t move up from. Even at Step 7.

Another example – look at the turnaround in fortunes for Carharrack in the Cornwall Combination in the last 3 years!

There are others that can’t or won’t move up from Step 7 who are consistently doing well - Gas Recreation in the Essex & Suffolk Border League spring to mind, as do Waterloo Dock in the Liverpool Prem, Carlton Athletic and Beeston St Anthony’s in the West Yorks League and even Hamworthy Recreation in the Dorset Premier League.

I guess we shall see where they all are in 5 years time! My guess is they’ve started looking into ground shares in order to move up (I think Waterloo Dock are doing that now already!), or a couple will have started struggling or be gone altogether, sadly.

And you state you don’t believe Blackpool Wren Rovers are stagnating – finishing in the top two 11 years running without any inclination to move up (especially when it’s not your ground OR horrendous travelling distances at the next level up or coming from a tiny little village, preventing you from doing so) is the very definition of stagnation.

Also you have to wonder if their continued membership of the West Lancs Premier Division is beneficial to other member clubs who might otherwise be winning the league or finishing runners up if this relative giant was blocking them year after year…

Just saying…

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