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Sarumio
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There was a another meeting of the WRCAL, WYL, YAL, West Riding FA & FA regarding the step 7 situation in the county and the problems of the WRCAL, It happened at the end of Jan, with a pretty sensible solution suggested. The YAL wants step 7 status but doesn't have sufficient clubs achieving that standard yet, so the FA suggested the remaining WRCAL league teams merge with their top division to create a step 7 league.


Very interesting; is the plan to merge next season thus giving the YAL (/new league) step 7 status.

Will be interesting to see what happens to the teams who host teams in the WYL and YAL if the YAL gets step 7 (Mods, Cent, Hudds Amateur, Leeds City etc)


Why does West Yorkshire need two Step 7 leagues with completely overlapping territories.

You;ve just said yourself that the YAL has many sides whose first teams play in the West Yorkshire League.

So what's the point in this new proposal?


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There was a another meeting of the WRCAL, WYL, YAL, West Riding FA & FA regarding the step 7 situation in the county and the problems of the WRCAL, It happened at the end of Jan, with a pretty sensible solution suggested. The YAL wants step 7 status but doesn't have sufficient clubs achieving that standard yet, so the FA suggested the remaining WRCAL league teams merge with their top division to create a step 7 league.


Very interesting; is the plan to merge next season thus giving the YAL (/new league) step 7 status.

Will be interesting to see what happens to the teams who host teams in the WYL and YAL if the YAL gets step 7 (Mods, Cent, Hudds Amateur, Leeds City etc)


Why does West Yorkshire need two Step 7 leagues with completely overlapping territories.

You;ve just said yourself that the YAL has many sides whose first teams play in the West Yorkshire League.

So what's the point in this new proposal?


I don't care if WY has one or ten Step 7 leagues. I'm just interested in the potential changes.


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Knaresborough Celtic and Carlton Athletic Reserves resign from WYL...

Following the League management committee meeting on 1st April 2019 the committee have with regret accepted the resignations of Knaresborough Celtic from Division Two and Carlton Athletic Reserves from Alliance Division One.
The league tables in each division will be adjusted accordingly.

Knaresborough Celtic having played 23/26 matches at the time of their resignation will have points for the remaining games allocated to their opponents in Division Two (Rule 11B /22D)




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Newsome seem to be hinting on their twitter page that they have potentially achieved promotion by finishing 4th in the West Yorkshire league div 1. Anyone any clue what would make them think this?

Have they heard of Ilkleys application to step 6 but since not heard of their failed ground grading? Or is there another team in the Premier division heading to pastures new?


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Newsome seem to be hinting on their twitter page that they have potentially achieved promotion by finishing 4th in the West Yorkshire league div 1. Anyone any clue what would make them think this?

Have they heard of Ilkleys application to step 6 but since not heard of their failed ground grading? Or is there another team in the Premier division heading to pastures new?



I wonder if Ilkley have been given dispensation by the FA? I know that they aren’t too far away from having their ground ready. If Worcester Raiders have received this from the FA, I don’t see any reason why Buckhurst Hill & Ilkley Town aren’t offered the same help.



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Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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My other thought was whether Boroughbridge may be promoted to the York league now the fa are handling step 7 movements.

Also, with the apparent creation of a step 7 division at the top of the YAL, how many of those current YAL top division clubs fail the grading? Is there potential for a couple of laterals from WYL to make up the numbers?


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Newsome seem to be hinting on their twitter page that they have potentially achieved promotion by finishing 4th in the West Yorkshire league div 1. Anyone any clue what would make them think this?

Have they heard of Ilkleys application to step 6 but since not heard of their failed ground grading? Or is there another team in the Premier division heading to pastures new?



I wonder if Ilkley have been given dispensation by the FA? I know that they aren’t too far away from having their ground ready. If Worcester Raiders have received this from the FA, I don’t see any reason why Buckhurst Hill & Ilkley Town aren’t offered the same help.


And Letchworth Garden City Eagles


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News of Bradford district teams in the WRCAL
Toller, Palestino and Route Rovers have applied for and been accepted into the YAL
TVR United failed to get their application in on time and rumour has it they plan to join a reformed Bradford League. I've heard nothing at all about a new Bradford League and to be honest there would have to be a large number of new clubs formed in the summer for that to happen!
TVR could still end up in the YAL suppose if they have no league to play in & the County FA ask for them to placed there, although if the YAL and WRCAL merger was on then surely they would be automatically accepted in the YAL?



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Just heard from someone connected with a YAL club that the merger isn't going ahead as WRCAL teams applied individually to the YAL



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Sarumio
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Just heard from someone connected with a YAL club that the merger isn't going ahead as WRCAL teams applied individually to the YAL


So it won't be inheriting he WRCAL's Step 7 status after all then ?


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Just heard from someone connected with a YAL club that the merger isn't going ahead as WRCAL teams applied individually to the YAL


So it won't be inheriting he WRCAL's Step 7 status after all then ?


I understand that the Step 7 status for YAL is just awaiting announcement from the FA.

What will be holding them up is confirmation of the Prem Division constitution (which will need to increase at least 14) and that their grounds confirm to Step 7 requirements (and no club has two teams t that level).


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If the FA want Step 7 to be covered by county leagues, and there are already Step 7 leagues in shape of the North Riding, West Yorkshire, Humber Premier and Sheffield County Senior (and the CMFL!), what county is the YAL supposed to cover?


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If the FA want Step 7 to be covered by county leagues, and there are already Step 7 leagues in shape of the North Riding, West Yorkshire, Humber Premier and Sheffield County Senior (and the CMFL!), what county is the YAL supposed to cover?


There’s also the York Football League too!
I’m guessing most of the Y.A.L. clubs are from West Yorkshire which I believe has over 2 million people so that should be enough to allow 2 Step 7 leagues.
I agree it does seem strange when two leagues footprints overlaps each other but at least it’s a much better situation than Cumbria which currently only has 3 Step 7 clubs, never mind leagues!


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If the FA want Step 7 to be covered by county leagues, and there are already Step 7 leagues in shape of the North Riding, West Yorkshire, Humber Premier and Sheffield County Senior (and the CMFL!), what county is the YAL supposed to cover?


I think the FA are more than happy for there to be more than 1 Step 7 league/division in a county where the distribution of clubs mean it makes sense - they are creating two new divisions for next season in Devon for example.


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If the FA want Step 7 to be covered by county leagues, and there are already Step 7 leagues in shape of the North Riding, West Yorkshire, Humber Premier and Sheffield County Senior (and the CMFL!), what county is the YAL supposed to cover?


I think the FA are more than happy for there to be more than 1 Step 7 league/division in a county where the distribution of clubs mean it makes sense - they are creating two new divisions for next season in Devon for example.


Yes lets just put all clubs below Step 6, at Step 7 and be done with it.....

I feel elevating groups of clubs up a level for no particular reason whatsoever, as is the case in the SWPL and the Yorkshire Amateur League, will take away some of the prestige of actually being a club at Step 7.

Most clubs in the West Yorkshire League have had to work their way up to the Premier Division the hard way, by winning leagues and moving up the divisions. Now a whole bunch of clubs are going to be randomly elevated to sit in a division alongside the West Yorkshire League’s Premier Division. The clubs that have worked their way through the district leagues to get to WYL Division One will now see clubs that they left behind in the YAL, now playing a level higher than them.

To me it’s not right at all, is unnecessary, unfair and as I said takes away some of the honour and achievement of actually reaching a Step 7 division.


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The YAL will present their current position to the FA at the next Leagues Committee meeting. The FA hopes to approve step 7 status there & then. Although a couple of clubs may need a season to achieve the grading requirements. With the move towards NLS feeder leagues, the FA will leave footprints to the county FA’s. The West Riding County FA have no intentions of moving any clubs between the YAL & the WYL. With this in mind, why were any clubs moved step 7 leagues for this season at all? A team even had to demote themselves to avoid being moved to another league!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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The YAL will present their current position to the FA at the next Leagues Committee meeting. The FA hopes to approve step 7 status there & then. Although a couple of clubs may need a season to achieve the grading requirements. With the move towards NLS feeder leagues, the FA will leave footprints to the county FA’s. The West Riding County FA have no intentions of moving any clubs between the YAL & the WYL. With this in mind, why were any clubs moved step 7 leagues for this season at all? A team even had to demote themselves to avoid being moved to another league!


Were any clubs 'moved'? I thought that any who transferred from the WRCA to the WYL did so voluntarily


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The YAL will present their current position to the FA at the next Leagues Committee meeting. The FA hopes to approve step 7 status there & then. Although a couple of clubs may need a season to achieve the grading requirements. With the move towards NLS feeder leagues, the FA will leave footprints to the county FA’s. The West Riding County FA have no intentions of moving any clubs between the YAL & the WYL. With this in mind, why were any clubs moved step 7 leagues for this season at all? A team even had to demote themselves to avoid being moved to another league!


Were any clubs 'moved'? I thought that any who transferred from the WRCA to the WYL did so voluntarily



I was talking about step 7 in general. For instance teams were swapped between the NSL & the CMLS. I believe from memory, that it was Gamlingay Utd who were going to be laterally transferred from the CCL to the BCL. They refused & instead asked to be demoted to avoid being moved(so they were outside the pyramid). I know some forum members said that the FA should leave step 7 clubs & leagues alone. It appears this they’ve got their wishes. But it doesn’t reverse what happened to clubs this season.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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The YAL will present their current position to the FA at the next Leagues Committee meeting. The FA hopes to approve step 7 status there & then. Although a couple of clubs may need a season to achieve the grading requirements. With the move towards NLS feeder leagues, the FA will leave footprints to the county FA’s. The West Riding County FA have no intentions of moving any clubs between the YAL & the WYL. With this in mind, why were any clubs moved step 7 leagues for this season at all? A team even had to demote themselves to avoid being moved to another league![/


I dont understand this. If in the very near future each county FA is going to manage their own step7 league why are there discussions to continue with 2 in the West Riding county footprint when the current situation would seem ideal to confirm the WYL as that league?.
This Step 7 revolution could presumably be the end of the lower leagues of the Midland, W Midland. Central & South Midland leagues...


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The YAL will present their current position to the FA at the next Leagues Committee meeting. The FA hopes to approve step 7 status there & then. Although a couple of clubs may need a season to achieve the grading requirements. With the move towards NLS feeder leagues, the FA will leave footprints to the county FA’s. The West Riding County FA have no intentions of moving any clubs between the YAL & the WYL. With this in mind, why were any clubs moved step 7 leagues for this season at all? A team even had to demote themselves to avoid being moved to another league![/


I dont understand this. If in the very near future each county FA is going to manage their own step7 league why are there discussions to continue with 2 in the West Riding county footprint when the current situation would seem ideal to confirm the WYL as that league?.
This Step 7 revolution could presumably be the end of the lower leagues of the Midland, W Midland. Central & South Midland leagues...



What I’ve posted is a combination of emails I received from the FA & the West Riding FA. In a nutshell I doubt theirs going to be much change at step 7. Except we’ll have 2 leagues in West Riding that cover the same area. It’s actually going to be worse than than this season. Because there’s a a semi semblance of an east/west split between the WRCAL & the WYL.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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TVR United have actually folded now, so they won't be joing any new league after all.



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So where do we think the rest will go? All to the YAL other than Golcar of course?


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Looks like it. Littletown already have a team in the YAL, and the likes of Steeton prefer it to the WYL because they would probably have to start in the third tier in that league.
Not sure about the Halifax district teams - Ryburn and Ovenden might opt for their district league, although the latter might not even make it through the summer unless they get some new faces in.



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Looks like it. Littletown already have a team in the YAL, and the likes of Steeton prefer it to the WYL because they would probably have to start in the third tier in that league.
Not sure about the Halifax district teams - Ryburn and Ovenden might opt for their district league, although the latter might not even make it through the summer unless they get some new faces in.



Apparently Littletown applied for the West Yorkshire, but failed the ground grading due to the dressing rooms being too small!


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It seems that TVR United aren't folding after all. They're not going into the YAL though.



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