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Leyther_Matt
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Apr 18, 2019, 10:07 PM

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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.



He still hasn’t paid the wages & until he does this he won’t get approval from the EFL. The monies are in an account & you have to wonder why he hasn’t paid the staff.
Alan Nixon has been exchanging a lot of tweets with BWFC fans. He’s been explaining the situation & issues to them.


Leyther_Matt
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Apr 19, 2019, 10:13 PM

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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.



He still hasn’t paid the wages & until he does this he won’t get approval from the EFL. The monies are in an account & you have to wonder why he hasn’t paid the staff.
Alan Nixon has been exchanging a lot of tweets with BWFC fans. He’s been explaining the situation & issues to them.

Club accounts are frozen according to Ken Anderson. Nixon has been playing guesswork for months so I’d take everything he says with a massive dose of salt.


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.



He still hasn’t paid the wages & until he does this he won’t get approval from the EFL. The monies are in an account & you have to wonder why he hasn’t paid the staff.
Alan Nixon has been exchanging a lot of tweets with BWFC fans. He’s been explaining the situation & issues to them.

Club accounts are frozen according to Ken Anderson. Nixon has been playing guesswork for months so I’d take everything he says with a massive dose of salt.



According to Alan Nixon Bassini has shown he has the monies available to clear the debt. All he has to do is transfer the monies & the EFL will sanction his takeover of the club. The money still hasn’t been transferred & Bolton Wanderers are still heading to court.


Steve_HFC
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Bolton's players to boycott last two games if their overdue March wages aren't paid.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48067603


Loiner
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Tomorrow's match against Brentford has been postponed.

Breaking news on Sky Sports!


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Also on Sky in the last hour, prospective new owner Bassini 'insists he'll get the game back on': https://www.skysports.com/...efore-brentford-game.

Sorted!

(EDIT: apparently the interview was earlier in the day, before the official announcement the game's off. One hell of an interview though).


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Bolton have bee told they must finish this season's fixtures even if they use Academy players to do so.

https://twitter.com/.../1122073032481300480


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In their statement on Saturday morning, the EFL said it was "satisfied that a team can be selected from the players they have registered and available to them" for their remaining two league fixtures, even if first-team players do not make themselves available for selection.

The EFL would have forced Bolton to play Saturday's fixture had their under-18 team not been involved in a match on Thursday, bringing concerns about "potential player welfare issues".

The EFL statement read: "This same issue will not reoccur as the club is able to plan the players' preparation and recovery time accordingly."






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So the EFL are encouraging Under 18s to take the place of workers taking industrial action because they haven't been paid?


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EFL have released a further statement this morning:

"The EFL has this morning confirmed that Bolton Wanderers’ suspended Sky Bet Championship fixture with Brentford will not be played this week."

Full article here: https://www.efl.com/...t-bolton-wanderers4/


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The EFL has announced tonight that the Bolton Wanderers v Brentford Sky Bet Championship fixture called off last week will be played on Tuesday 7 May.

The EFL is also aware that the Club’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) is due to meet tomorrow and we would advise all supporters to wait until the details for the game are confirmed by the Club before making any travel arrangements.


leohoenig
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Meanwhile, it appears the white knight and his charger have ridden past without stopping

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/.../may/club-statement/

At one level this may be a lucky escape. On the other hand, BWFC could be the missing team that allows a sixth play-off winner to progress at Step 3



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I would be surprised if Bolton weren't a FL team for 2019/20 season and I wouldn't be surpsisedd if the EFL punish Bolton if the outstanding isn't played by demoting them to League 2.


derekn
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Brentford have now been awarded a 1-0 win after the Safety Advisory Group refused to allow permission for the game to be played on Tuesday.

It would be interesting to know who this bunch are and the whys and wherefores of them having this amount of power.


leohoenig
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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows



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I don't know if it's happened subsequently but in 87/88 Tranmere had a two point deduction for failing to fulfil....against Bolton! Down to a dispute over the amount of policing needed: https://www.footballsite.co.uk/...m#Hard-up%20Tranmere


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leohoenig
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I think Paul, that the game was eventually played, leaving this one on the same web pages

Back in March 1974 Halifax Town and Exeter City asked the Football League to postpone matches because their respective playing squads had been decimated by injury and illness. In Exeter's case they had medical certificates for 9 unfit players which left them with just 9 fit players, two of them goalkeepers. Halifax were given permission to postpone their Division 3 match at Bournemouth on Saturday March 30th 1974 but Exeter were refused permission to call of their matches against Peterborough the same day and Scunthorpe 3 days later. They played, and lost, their home match against Peterborough but refused to travel to Scunthorpe to fulfil their Division 4 fixture at the Old Showground scheduled for Tuesday April 2nd. There was speculation that Exeter's punishment might be expulsion from the Football League but later in April it was announced that the Devon side had been fined £5000 for not fulfilling the fixture and in addition were ordered to compensate Scunthorpe £1094 for the lost gate receipts and expenses. It was a massive sum for a Division 4 side to pay. Uniquely the two points were awarded to Scunthorpe and the match was not ordered to be played. It is the only fixture in Football League history that was never played.



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From, a reputable source!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48151016



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derekn
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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows


I wouldn't mind betting that this only applies to football clubs. Can't see rugby or cricket having to put up with it.


Steve_HFC
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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows


I wouldn't mind betting that this only applies to football clubs. Can't see rugby or cricket having to put up with it.


Why not? They have to deal with big crowds - have to liaise with various authorities to co-ordinate crowd control, transport etc. Do you really believe that venues such as Twickenham or Lords don't have safety meetings with various authorities? I'd be surprised if they didn't.


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I think Paul, that the game was eventually played, leaving this one on the same web pages


Ah yes, you're quite right. So Bolton v Brentford is only the second time a FL fixture stays unplayed. I did like the tweet which showed Bolton 0-1 Brentford (Bassini OG, 89) Laugh

Re Safety Advisory Group, it's just that, an advisory group. It has no powers as such but its does work with local authorities as its they who ultimately decide whether or not to issue a safety certificate. Once the local authority decided not to issue a safety certificate for the Bolton game then it'd have been the league (or is it the club?) who called the game off.


derekn
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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


Yes, rugby is well known for crowd trouble. My word, when Saints and Tigers play they’re brawling in the streets, invading the pitch, racist, the works.

Or not.

Behave like children and you’ll be treated like them.


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Not to mention 250 dead in decrepit and badly managed stadia.


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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows


I wouldn't mind betting that this only applies to football clubs. Can't see rugby or cricket having to put up with it.


I think we have to go along with the safety advice on this one. And there are reasons why the authorities in Bolton should be especially cautious.

A friend of mine was stood on the terraces at Burnden Park, Bolton's previous home ground, at an FA Cup 6th round tie on 6 March 1946 when Wanderers hosted Stoke City, including Stanley Matthews. The actual size of the crowd can only be estimated as many fans managed to get into the ground even after the turnstiles were closed. Over 85,000 spectators are thought to have attended.

The enormous crush resulted in 33 deaths and hundreds of injuries.

Shortly after kick off the police informed the referee that there had been fatalities, the game stopped and the players left the field. However, those in charge decided the best course was to play out the game and then let the crowd disperse.

I suppose just after the end of a world war in which many lives had been lost, attitudes to death and injuries were different to the present day.

My friend remembers seeing the bodies laid out at the side of the pitch covered by overcoats, whilst the teams played the game just yards away. Matthews wrote in his autobiography how none of the players had wanted to return to the field once they'd heard the news of deaths, and numbly went through the motions in a 0-0 draw.

I don't suppose there'd have been a large attendance for the game cancelled this week, but maybe we should go along with the advice of those responsible for safety.

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