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hawkwind
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Vince Cable was a lone voice crying in the wilderness when he was warning of the dangers facing the world economy before the 2008 crash. It meant that he achieved a high reputation for economic far sightedness and led eventually to him becoming Lib Dem leader (unfortunately his elevation to leader has turned out to be a case of the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time).

Do you know if any current MP is predicting the economic scenario/calamity that you're describing?

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Most MPs are blithely unaware of the current debt problems facing the financial system. In fact the current thinking on the Left is that more debt can solve the social ills that the country faces. God help us if Corbyn and his acolytes ever get their hands on the economic levers as we will drown in state sponsored debt.

Frank Field has long railed against such thinking and is at odds with his party on these matters. His foresight is sadly yet another lone voice, similar to Cables was back in 2006.

Mainstream economists are now beginning to realise, somewhat belatedly, that we are facing a looming crisis as the article below sets out.....https://www.businessinsider.com/...2019-4?r=US&IR=T

Yesterday on the BBC I noted that that one of the most cautious German thinkers is raising similar concerns.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48258720


Do you remember the MoneyWeek "End of Britain" article and video circa end 2012?

Doom and gloom, approaching apocalypse.

Here's a version on youtube.

Scary, isn't it? All that to ask you to take out a subscription.

But what if this is truly inevitable?

Don't panic - read this article.

And if you're worried about bank deposits remember that under EU law personal deposits are protected up to a value of €100,000 per person per bank.


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In the latest 'You couldn't make this up' gaffe from Remainers who hate Britain,
Michael Heseltine has admitted he had hoped the UK economy would be doing a lot worse than it actually is....

That means he wishes the country and its people were suffering more hurt, more hardship, more pain
....
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Are Remainers really that hateful, that angry that loathsome.....????


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"Nigel Farage, the man of the Paypal."
Gordon Brown


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In the latest 'You couldn't make this up' gaffe from Remainers who hate Britain,
Michael Heseltine has admitted he had hoped the UK economy would be doing a lot worse than it actually is....

That means he wishes the country and its people were suffering more hurt, more hardship, more pain
....
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Are Remainers really that hateful, that angry that loathsome.....????


See post 1277.


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In the latest 'You couldn't make this up' gaffe from Remainers who hate Britain,
Michael Heseltine has admitted he had hoped the UK economy would be doing a lot worse than it actually is....

That means he wishes the country and its people were suffering more hurt, more hardship, more pain
....
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Are Remainers really that hateful, that angry that loathsome.....????


See post 1277.


He's a politician supposedly working in the best interests of the nation.

He wants the nation to suffer.....the Whole Nation . Everybody....You, me everybody ......Not that he will suffer. He is well insulated from any suffering.....seriously sick attitude.

It's those Remainer politicians I was referring to btw, just to clear that up.

How can a former cabinet minister wish the nation economic harm?.....What a hateful, angry and loathsome attitude.

As for Remainers who want to deny me my vote, my voice and my liberty and destroy democracy in this country I wish them all the evils under the sun.......

Who on this forum subscribes to that agenda?


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He's a politician supposedly working in the best interests of the nation.


Don't forget the Brexit party has confirmed we'll only suffer 30 years with their Brexit.


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He's a politician supposedly working in the best interests of the nation.


Don't forget the Brexit party has confirmed we'll only suffer 30 years with their Brexit.


No, We established that was not a Brexit Party belief but a misplaced gaffe by one individual and that my belief that there would be 0 years of hardship after Brexit was equally as valid.
Truth is no-one's predictions have yet hit the mark so plucking any one our of thin air clarifies zilch.

Anyway, no-one knows when Brexit will happen and as of today, it's looking less likely with this parliament.


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I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


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Doesn't this just give you the urge to get along to that ballot box Thursday and vote For the Brexit party!


https://twitter.com/.../1130385809939542016



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What a hateful, angry and loathsome attitude.

As for Remainers who want to deny me my vote, my voice and my liberty and destroy democracy in this country I wish them all the evils under the sun.......


There are indeed some angry attitudes around.

Our voices are being heard in the current debate and on Thursday we'll all have the liberty to exercise our democratic right to vote.

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One Brexit moron doesn't represent 17.4million......

Just as the 3 or 4 milkshake morons , or the Oldham mob throwing bricks and scissors at children do not represent the 16million remainers.....


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One Brexit moron doesn't represent 17.4million......

Just as the 3 or 4 milkshake morons , or the Oldham mob throwing bricks and scissors at children do not represent the 16million remainers.....


True.

Meanwhile, with nothing much seemingly happening re Brexit at Westminster, the title of this thread is rather ironic at present, seeing as no EU Withdrawal Negotiations appear to be taking place.

Presumably, we're in the eye of the storm until Thursday's EU elections have taken place and Mrs May departs the scene. At which point the Brexit cyclone returns and builds up to the October deadline. Wonder what/who will be left standing.

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British Steel on verge of administration

British Steel blames "Brexit-related issues".

4,000 people are directly employed at Scunthorpe

Scunthorpe voted 70% for Brexit.

Thee's no cure for stupid.


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Thee's no cure for stupid.


Sorry to hear that....you'll just have to accept your lot in life!

Btw.......Brexit hasn't happened yet........hard to blame British Steel's troubles, troubles that have existed for years, on a situation that is yet to happen.....

Like you say. No cure for stupid!


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Meanwhile, with nothing much seemingly happening re Brexit at Westminster, the title of this thread is rather ironic at present, seeing as no EU Withdrawal Negotiations appear to be taking place.

Wonder what/who will be left standing.


Well Mrs May has made her heartfelt plea to her party and included in her repackaged deal the possibility of a second referendum.

That in itself has riled party members and MPs alike.

She will be gone sooner rather than later, some suggest by the end of the month, and Boris Johnsons bandwagon has just
been given a massive boost.

Meantime Nigel Farage gloats, having been given a clean bill of health by the Electoral Commission as regards his party's funding.

Could the Westminster pantomime get any more depressingly entertaining? Crazy


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I can’t imagine what she was thinking; 2 days before a European Election in which the Brexit Party are already expected to win, she offers up this watered down tripe, with a vote on a second referendum!

I suspect it won’t even see the light of day in Parliament and she’ll be resigning Friday.

If she does cling on to see it voted on, I suspect it will get less votes than the first attempt.


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Westminster appears to have descended into collective insanity.

Maybe Thursday's results will shock them back to their senses but the omens don't look good.

May seems unable to grasp that it no longer matters what she comes up with, she's lost all credibility. Ideas that might have been useful 3 years ago are now rejected out of hand simply because she's making them.

If she has any shred of self awareness she should be gone by the weekend.

Unfortunately, looking at the long line of deluded Conservative wannabe PMs squabbling to take over from her, it appears we're heading out of the frying pan into the fire.

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May is almost certainly on the spectrum and that could explain her actions on Brexit......
Her Plan 4 Brexit Deal won't get enough support.

It may be that the only way forward is for her successor to prorogue parliament.....

That would be fun.


@TowLawTom........re your PM that I'm unable to reply to because you have disabled replies......I agree with that......sounds like a plan going forward...... no worries!


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I think the brexit party will unfortunately do well tomorrow. Only because the remain vote will be split between the Greens, Lib dems and Change uk. A lot of remain vote will still go to labour!
They will probably claim it as a victory but taking into account the overall remain votes, the remain parties will do better!



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Meanwhile, with nothing much seemingly happening re Brexit at Westminster, the title of this thread is rather ironic at present, seeing as no EU Withdrawal Negotiations appear to be taking place.

Never mind nothing much seemingly happening re Brexit at Westminster, there is precious little happening at Westminster at all. The Tories are terrified of introducing any legislation on anything in case they lose. The most inept government in my lifetime is simply hanging on to power in an effort to save the Tory Party. They are terrified that a General Election now would see them wiped out. They are clinging on in the Micawberish hope that something will turn up to save them later. Yet more kicking of the can down the road.


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I think the brexit party will unfortunately do well tomorrow. Only because the remain vote will be split between the Greens, Lib dems and Change uk. A lot of remain vote will still go to labour!
They will probably claim it as a victory but taking into account the overall remain votes, the remain parties will do better!


We will know very soon but I suspect:

(UKIP + Brexit + Tory) > (LD + Green + Change + SNP + PC)

Labour’s position is so unclear, i’ve left them out of the above as i suspect they’ll get Remain and leave votes.


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These are the links to the manifestos I have found + a reposting of the link to the "How your MEPs voted on 25 key issues between 2014 and 2019" site.

UK Party Manifestos all linked from this Daily Mirror article.

How MEPs voted during 2014-2019 European Parliament & Questionnaire

PES (Socialists) grouping in which Labour MEPs sit

Greens grouping in which MEPs of Green, Scottish Nationalists and Plaid Cymru sit

Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe grouping in which Liberal Democrats sit

GUE-NGL grouping in which Sinn Féin (Northern Ireland) sit


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I think the brexit party will unfortunately do well tomorrow. Only because the remain vote will be split between the Greens, Lib dems and Change uk. A lot of remain vote will still go to labour!
They will probably claim it as a victory but taking into account the overall remain votes, the remain parties will do better!


We will know very soon but I suspect:

(UKIP + Brexit + Tory) > (LD + Green + Change + SNP + PC)

Labour’s position is so unclear, i’ve left them out of the above as i suspect they’ll get Remain and leave votes.


That's a good analogy. Think you are will be wrong with your prediction though . I think more remainers will vote for labour then leavers. A lot of voters still wont bother to turn out.



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If We vote to Remain on June 23rd It is the end of the Steel industry in This country. Simple as that. We must leave EU
Another bad Error of Judgement it seems from Our Nige.

https://twitter.com/...s/716184709496180736



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If We vote to Remain on June 23rd It is the end of the Steel industry in This country. Simple as that. We must leave EU
Another bad Error of Judgement it seems from Our Nige.

https://twitter.com/...s/716184709496180736


I'm sure you know full well that under EU rules we are not allowed to help British Steel therefore leaving the EU is the best way to be masters of our own destiny and protect any industry we choose.....We can't do that if we remain.

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