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Steve (MUFC)
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Jul 8, 2019, 7:58 PM

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I had an odd chat with Alex Narey of the NLP about this on Twitter today:
https://twitter.com/.../1148176133298540545
He refused to engage on the question of ethics and instead suggested that we should be grateful for the money.
I'm not overly bothered myself although I think the level of gambling industry sponsorship in football as a whole is worrying as they are fast heading towards an overall monopoly. Personally gambling has never been part of my football experience but I could see why someone new to the sport would assume the two go hand in hand which is presumably the desired effect.
I also dislike the hypocrisy regarding sponsorship by other age related goods and services. Alcohol seems to be beyond the pale. presumably something like the Pornhub League Cup would see all hell break loose?



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Pornhub League Cup? - Love it! That would be pun paradise even if your team got stuffed (sorry) but threre again I wouldn't bet on it.


DaveH
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Pornhub league cup!!! Brilliant!!

I personally don't get it. Just because steps 3 & 4 are now sponsored by a betting firm it means that supporters are more likely to become addicted to gambling??

When Evo-Stik were the sponsors, was there a rise in glue sniffing?!?


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Wink

There'll be a rise in gambling, the sponsorship deal isn't philanthropy!


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Aren't there regulations/laws regarding betting companies and players under the age of 18? If clubs have to wear the sponsors logo on their shirts then doesn't the logo have to be removed or covered on any player under the legal gambling age? I'm sure I saw this recently during the national League play-offs.



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Nottm For refused to put gambling sponsorship on any sale of shirts on small size a few years ago (888) for fear of corrupting young fans. Simple, don't deal with these companies in the first place rather than alienate a generation of future fans!!


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I have to say that my heart sank today at hearing the news that a betting company have taken sponsorship of the level of football I enjoy most. Yes, I know betting is legal, its part of our culture, and a lot of people do enjoy it etc, etc, but as someone who has experienced a suicide in my own family as a direct consequence of gambling addiction which started with fairly casual gambling on football at the age of 18, it's really feels hard to take. As well as this, it is just the sheer pervasiveness of gambling around football, it just seems so aggressive, though I'm willing to accept that my sensitivities have been heightened through personal experience. I'm afraid I wont be going to any games in this League next season, I guess it's an opportunity to look for another team at a different level. New chapter and all that.


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I agree entirely betting companies sponsoring the leagues is morally wrong as gambling has such an awful downside, but the leagues do not seem to consider that.
Hopefully as all three level 3/4 leagues, have the same sponsor the leagues will be referred to causally by their 'proper' names, which lessening the effect of the advertising.


About Forest, I didn't think they were allowed to have the gambling company on children's shirts. I know they used to have 'Panda Pops' on the youth team and the reserves' shirts when under 18s were playing, when Shipstone's was the main sponsor


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I'm willing to accept that my sensitivities have been heightened through personal experience.


So true with so much in life and sorry to hear about your loss.

Southern League knew there was going to be a new sponsor early last season as they were trialling different bits and pieces. As someone that follows Bedford Town when my club don't have a match, it's clear that the sponsorship deal has gone to the highest bidder and morals have been discarded for cash. Waiting to see how much of that cash filters down to the clubs.

Anyone know how long this new sponsorship deal is for?


dudsey
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Jul 9, 2019, 9:23 AM

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I had an odd chat with Alex Narey of the NLP about this on Twitter today: He refused to engage on the question of ethics and instead suggested that we should be grateful for the money.
The pungent aroma of Hypocrisy now finds itself wafting onto the terraces of the grassroots game. The irony that anyone associated in any way with a football club isn`t allowed to place a bet will now see the grounds they visit emblazoned with the `Bet Victor` logo.

"You couldn`t make it up!!





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So you think people associated with football clubs should be allowed to bet on football?

Remember, the blanket ban was introduced because loopholes in the old rules were being exploited in all sorts of cunning ways and, in a move that was far from unpopular at the time, a blanket ban was introduced because it (1) closed the loopholes, and was considered to be much more straightforward (2) to abide by and (3) to enforce.

Allegations of double standards and hypocrisy are simply red herrings in all this. But there is a moral/ethical question mark.


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Southern League knew there was going to be a new sponsor early last season as they were trialling different bits and pieces. As someone that follows Bedford Town when my club don't have a match, it's clear that the sponsorship deal has gone to the highest bidder and morals have been discarded for cash. Waiting to see how much of that cash filters down to the clubs.

Anyone know how long this new sponsorship deal is for?


it is a just a massive 2 year deal


dudsey
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Jul 9, 2019, 9:50 AM

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So you think people associated with football clubs should be allowed to bet on football?

Hell Nooo. I think you misinterpreted my point, being; the relevant bodies are quick to act when anyone is found to be placing bets, then go and accept a gambling firm as a major sponsor.

Seems a bit twisted to me!!



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I don't really mind what line of business the sponsor is in. Rothmans never led me into smoking, I don't think I ever painted with Berger, never drove a Diadora and I don't think I've ever shopped at Ryman. And I doubt very much whether I'll be opening up a BetVictor account.

I always wonder how sponsorship benefits the sponsor. Even the Premier League - I never got a Barclaycard and I certainly haven't drunk Carling since I was a boy.

Who sees a sponsor and thinks "I'm now going to use that product"

At the risk of contradicting myself, I probably do make an effort to deal with the local sponsors of my club but as for the rest of it, I'm just happy to see the money.


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You're mixing apples and oranges.

The ban - which is limited to individuals within football betting on football (but not the many other products offered by bookies) - is purely there to help preserve the integrity of football competition. No other reason. Accepting the sponsorship is not incompatible with that aim (of preserving the integrity of competition). There is no double standard between the two. It's just ring-fencing the risk of 'insider dealing', so to speak.

However there is arguably a double standard between the restrictions on sponsorship/advertising from the alcohol/tobacco industry and relative freedom enjoyed by the gambling industry. That's a very valid but completely different argument though.


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I always wonder how sponsorship benefits the sponsor. Even the Premier League - I never got a Barclaycard and I certainly haven't drunk Carling since I was a boy.

Who sees a sponsor and thinks "I'm now going to use that product"


That's me too. With one exception. Even though I don't have a sweet tooth, I'm determined to try a Tunnock's Caramel Wafer after reading up on them following their sponsorship of the Scottish Challenge Cup. Another pawn finally succumbing to the power of the advertising industry!

Thankfully, though, I'm not tempted by Betfred, sponsors of their League Cup.


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I wonder if anyone ever bought a Beazer Home after watching a Southern League match....


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Neither have I, but the companies must think that some people, or they wouldn't be spending their money in that way.


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I had an odd chat with Alex Narey of the NLP about this on Twitter today: He refused to engage on the question of ethics and instead suggested that we should be grateful for the money.
The pungent aroma of Hypocrisy now finds itself wafting onto the terraces of the grassroots game. The irony that anyone associated in any way with a football club isn`t allowed to place a bet will now see the grounds they visit emblazoned with the `Bet Victor` logo.

"You couldn`t make it up!!



If this betting company are anything like Evo-Stik were, then they will expect at least one ad in the matchday programme. I'd also imagine that they will demand a 'click through' ad on clubs websites. The dreadful Pitchero sites will inevitably have them on all there club websites.
I believe its an FA ruling about not having betting companies on junior shirts either playing or replica. Burton Albion had their community logo on all their junior shirts when they succumbed to the lure of a betting company. I know a few youngsters who were very disappointed that their shirt was not the same as their 'heros'.
Wonder if the new sponsor will be providing new sleeve flashes to cover the Evo-Stik ones. I wouldn't hold your breath for any of the money filtering down to the clubs. I can't remember seeing any from Evo-Stik!!


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Wonder if the new sponsor will be providing new sleeve flashes to cover the Evo-Stik ones.


The sleeve flashes peeled off my shirt after a couple of washes, not sure what they used as an adhesive!


swjoduk
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You will struggle to drive a Diadora, wear a pair maybe?

Maybe your'e getting confused with Delorean or Dallara?


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When the Isthmian League had Ryman as its main sponsor, clubs were asked to use a programme advert for another of Theo Paphitis' companies, a company in the lingerie business. A few clubs considered that the advert was not for the eyes of children, and were allowed not to use it.

Whether any club will try to take the same line as regards a bookmaking form, and how the leagues will react if that does happen, we will have to wait and see.


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I don't really mind what line of business the sponsor is in. Rothmans never led me into smoking, I don't think I ever painted with Berger, never drove a Diadora and I don't think I've ever shopped at Ryman. And I doubt very much whether I'll be opening up a BetVictor account.

I always wonder how sponsorship benefits the sponsor. Even the Premier League - I never got a Barclaycard and I certainly haven't drunk Carling since I was a boy.

Who sees a sponsor and thinks "I'm now going to use that product"

At the risk of contradicting myself, I probably do make an effort to deal with the local sponsors of my club but as for the rest of it, I'm just happy to see the money.


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I believe its an FA ruling about not having betting companies on junior shirts either playing or replica. Burton Albion had their community logo on all their junior shirts when they succumbed to the lure of a betting company. I know a few youngsters who were very disappointed that their shirt was not the same as their 'heros'.


That's interesting - so, in a way, the ruling achieves nothing and might even be counter productive because the youngsters are already aware of the betting company's brand and it gets their heightened attention by being banned from their kits.


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If nothing else, it at least seems that the word Isthmian is part of the sponsored name now, and when was that last the case - Servowarm?

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