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Steve S
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Hi
I'm currently looking into the stats of Wroxham FC and am currently trying to sort out the composition of the Norwich City Junior League (sometimes shown in papers without the "Junior") between 1923/34 and 1934/35. I have the names of many of the member clubs but can't find any league tables and so, despite finding many results, have no idea of which clubs were in which division.


Pitch 63 kindly sent me some details a while back but does anyone, by any chance, have any tables for that period, even if they are not the final versions I can at least identify the league constitution. The British Newspaper Archive is of little help due to an almost complete lack of Norwich/North Norfolk papers after World War 1. Norwich Reference Library will be my best bet but I thought I'd ask here first just in case someone can save me an awful lot of weeks searching, although hopefully the Eastern Daily Press will at least be able to help.......


The Norwich & District League from1955/56 to 1963/64 will be another phase but from a quick look even the EDP struggles with that league !


Many thanks as always for any help.


Steve S


Cannary
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Jul 20, 2019, 1:17 AM

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I've got a few old Pink Uns and will go through them to see if I can help with anything. In the meantime the May 18, 1963 issue lists the following Norwich and District League Junior Division:
Mulbarton 25 23 1 1 175-35 47
Poringland 27 18 2 7 145-58 38
Corpusty & Sax 24 17 3 4 116-51 37
Hethersett 22 13 1 8 71-51 27
Aslacton & GM 25 13 1 11 72-62 27
Buckenham Utd 25 11 4 10 100-87 26
Lt Melton 25 11 4 10 69-60 26
Wroxham 25 11 3 11 90-74 25
Attleborough Res 26 11 3 12 51-83 25
Wymondham OB Res 26 10 4 12 78-113 24
Deopham 23 10 1 12 101-79 21
Rockland & D 24 8 3 13 55-90 19
Spixworth 25 5 3 17 46-97 13
Aylsham Res 24 6 1 17 45-132 13
Frettenham 24 1 0 23 26-169 2
Looks like a few teams would have struggled to play all 28 fixtures!


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Steve S
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Jul 20, 2019, 10:19 AM

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Hi Steve
Many thanks for that, much appreciated, the first printed table I've found for that league. From what I've seen the EDP doesn't mention the league but the Norwich Mercury did have some results so that sounds more helpful and I haven't gone through the Pink 'Un's in Norwich Library yet...as you'll know with so many leagues and results to cover up in Norwich/Norfolk the coverage will probably be skimpier than elsewhere I guess.
Thanks for your help though, it's a great start, bit like doing the edges on a jigsaw !


Steve


Cannary
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Jul 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

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I don't have many Pink Uns as I slimmed down my NCFC programme collection a few years ago and have just a few which relate to big matches. I will go through them and see what I can find; however, in the meantime these are tables from two end-of season issues:

60/1 Junior Section (from last Pink Un of the season - April 29, back page has one result, not included below Wym Res Aylsham Res 0-2)
Marlpit Utd 28 23 4 1 176-47 50
Long Stratton 26 19 3 4 103-51 41
Rackheath 27 18 4 5 116-54 40
Wroxham 28 15 5 8 113-78 35
Wym OB Res 27 17 1 9 95-68 35
Hingham 24 14 4 6 113-50 32
Eaton Rangers Res 26 14 3 9 84-53 31
Aylsham Res 27 10 5 12 68-71 25
Poringland 27 10 4 13 81-73 24
Spixworth 27 10 4 13 54-78 24
Attleborough Res 27 8 5 14 51-96 21
Aslac & Gt Moult 25 6 4 15 38-84 16
St Faiths 26 5 5 16 75-115 15
Buxton 26 2 2 22 54-145 6
Hoveton 27 1 1 25 32-190 3

1946/47 Primary Section A (from third last Pink Un of the season, May 3 (final one May 17))
Ludham 17 14 1 2 88-28 29
Scottow 19 12 0 7 57-43 24
Blofield Heath 17 11 0 6 66-36 22
Plumstead & Wit 16 9 2 5 37-27 20
Wroxham 18 9 1 8 55-43 19
Coltishall Res 15 8 1 6 49-49 17
ITC 14 8 0 6 49-40 16
Carrow Res 16 8 0 8 25-41 16
County Council St 19 5 3 11 29-43 13
YMCA 18 3 1 14 21-59 7
Frettenham 17 1 1 15 14-81 3
Result from this day - not included above - Coltishall Res 2 Blofield Heath 2


Steve S
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Jul 20, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Thanks once again, Steve, the 47/8 table would have been Wroxham Reserves as the 1st XI were in the East Anglian League at that time (we've since swapped PMs so as not to bore regular readers too much with the trivia of the Norwich suburbs.............!!).
Best wishes


Steve S


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1946-47

Norwich Pink Un

Sat 17th May 1947

East Anglian League

Table updated to include the three matches reported that day.
Six matches are needed to complete the table.
Note that there is a goals discrepancy of four.

352 matches/points
153 wins/losses
46 draws
870-866 goals

26 21 2 03 82 23 44 Lowestoft Town Res
26 20 2 04 93 39 42 Wroxham
26 20 1 05 71 33 41 North Walsham Town
24 18 2 04 99 36 38 Brooke Marine
26 11 4 11 63 45 26 Thorpe Village
24 10 4 10 48 52 24 Beccles Town
26 09 3 14 61 73 21 Beccles Caxton
22 08 4 10 60 84 20 East Coach Works Res
23 08 3 12 54 62 19 Carrow
26 07 4 15 60 77 18 Corton
25 06 4 15 54 92 16 Gorleston Res
26 06 3 17 48 98 15 Bungay Res
26 05 5 16 40 84 15 Yarmouth Town Res
26 04 5 17 37 68 13 Southwold

Norwich & District League

4 sections listed in this order - Junior A, Junior B, Primary A and Primary B (that probably indicates that Junior was "better" than Primary and note that Hethersett 1sts were Junior and their Reserves were Primary)

Junior A (12 clubs) - Norman Old Boys, Coltishall, Horsford, Drayton, St. Paul's United, Blofield & District, Railway Social Club, Little Plumstead C., Thorpe Village, Sprowston, Loddon United and Reepham Town

Junior B (11 clubs) - Hempnall, Hethersett, Kingham Town, Earlham Men's Club, Attleborough Town, Poringland, Hellesdon Hospital, Wymondham Res., Mulbarton, Long Stratton and Eaton Joinery W.

Primary A (11 clubs) - Ludham, Plumstead & Witton, Blofield Heath, Scottow, Coltishall Res., Wroxham Res., Infantry Training Centre, Carrow Res., County Council Staff, Y.M.C.A., and Frettenham.

Primary B (11 clubs) - Earlham Rovers, Albert Sports, Shotesham, St. Barnabas, Mann Egerton, Norwich St. J., Norvic Social, Hethersett Res, Norwich United Res., Rockland & District and Queen's Road.

Primary A

Table updated to include the one match reported that day.
Three matches are needed to complete the table.
The table adds up.

214 matches/points
100 wins/losses
14 draws
560 goals

19 16 1 02 95 29 33 Ludham
20 13 2 05 55 31 28 Plumstead & Witton
20 12 1 07 74 42 25 Blofield Heath
20 12 0 08 57 46 24 Scottow
20 10 3 07 63 60 23 Coltishall Res
19 09 1 09 56 45 19 Wroxham Res
18 09 0 09 57 58 18 Infantry Training Centre
19 09 0 10 29 50 18 Carrow Res
20 05 4 11 31 45 14 County Council Staff
19 04 1 14 26 60 09 Y.M.C.A.
20 01 1 18 17 94 03 Frettenham


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Steve S
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Jul 20, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Many thanks John, very much appreciated. The EAL table is one I had from the following Monday's Eastern Daily Press but I wonder whether the league treated that day as a "cut off" point for matches as that season was badly affected by snow as I recall and I didn't find any later tables in the EDP. I think the Western League, for one, decided on a date for the official end of the season, with many (15+ for a few clubs) fixtures still outstanding, and issued a "final" table.


Steve


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Possibly once the league was decided they did not bother with the other outstanding fixtures after the very bad winter of 1946-47.

However there other matches played around the country after that date but Hethersett note that they could not find a date to meet Wymondham in the Wymondham league so it would not be played.


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1947-48

Norwich Pink Un

Sat 1st May 1948

East Anglian League

Table updated to include the five matches reported that day which completed the table.

Note that there are numerous discrepancies.

364 matches but 366 points
158 wins but 156 losses
50 draws
869-875 goals

Oulton Broad had replaced Brooke Marine

26 19 3 04 108 38 41 Carrow
26 18 4 04 77 34 40 Thorpe Village
26 17 2 07 79 47 36 Beccles Town
26 16 3 07 81 48 35 Oulton Broad
26 16 2 08 63 58 34 Yarmouth Town Res
26 11 6 09 83 55 28 Lowestoft Town Res
26 12 4 10 66 52 28 Wroxham
26 12 4 10 66 58 28 Gorleston Res
26 13 1 12 60 62 27 North Walsham Town
26 05 6 15 38 80 16 Corton
26 06 3 17 43 88 15 Beccles Caxton
26 05 4 17 43 92 14 East Coach Works Res
26 05 3 18 32 77 13 Bungay Res
26 03 5 18 30 86 11 Southwold

There are no Norwich & District tables
although three "line" results are given


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1948-49

Norwich Pink Un

Sat 7th May 1949

East Anglian League

It now has two divisions with the same 14 clubs in Div 1 and a further 12 in Div 2.
Another 5 teams had applied for Div 2 for the following season.

The table requires 4 matches for completion, 3 of which are reported,leaving Yarmouth Res v Southwold still to be played after this date.

There are no Norwich & District tables in this issue, only a few line results, but there are tables the previous week.

It now has a Premier Div of 14 clubs inc. Wroxham Res., Junior A (7), Junior B (11), Primary A (13) and Primary B (14)

The table of 30th April has 12 matches still to play and none of these are found in the line scores of that day or 7th May.

However the table does add up.
340 matches/points
147 wins/losses
46 draws
851 goals

26 22 3 01 115 27 47 Norman Old Boys
26 20 3 03 88 35 43 Esdelle Works
25 17 3 05 88 38 37 Hethersett
25 15 3 07 59 27 33 Poringland
26 13 4 09 69 50 30 R.A.F. Coltishall
23 12 4 07 62 28 28 Stalham
24 12 4 08 94 70 28 Gothic Res
25 10 5 10 54 58 25 Hingham
22 07 2 13 50 69 16 Attleborough
22 03 7 12 32 62 13 North Walsham Res
24 05 1 18 28 96 11 Coltishall Res
24 03 4 17 44 103 10 Wroxham Res
24 05 0 19 36 91 10 Wymondham Res
24 03 3 18 32 97 09 Ludham


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Steve S
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Jul 20, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Thanks again, John, I think I'm OK for the East Anglian League tables now as I did research that league in the EDP. The Norwich & DL tables and line-ups are great but it's the later first team involvement from 1955/55 to 1963/64 that really interests if you could help with that. However from what you and Cannary have both told me the Green 'Un at least recorded some details so I'll concentrate on that paper when I next get to Norwich Library rather than the EDP itself. I'm still discovering things about the nature of things in East Anglian football so it's a great learning curve I'm on.


Steve


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1949-50

Norwich Pink Un

Sat 29th April 1950

There are no Norwich & District tables in this issue, only line results, but there are tables the previous week.

The Premier Div. had been reduced to 12 clubs.
Norman Old Boys, Coltishall Res, Wymondham Res (now found in Norfolk & Suffolk Div 2) and Ludham (now in Junior A) had all left with the champions of Junior A (Sprowston) and Junior B (Loddon B) having been promoted.

The table of 22nd April has 17 matches still to play and one each is found that day and the following week, so the updated table below is still missing 15 results.

However the table does add up.
234 matches/points
110 wins/losses
14 draws
592 goals

20 18 2 00 83 24 36 Sprowston
21 17 1 03 71 33 35 Stalham
20 12 0 08 73 35 24 Poringland
20 10 2 08 63 47 22 Hingham
22 09 1 12 53 50 19 Hethersett
19 10 1 08 45 39 21 North Walsham Res
17 08 2 07 48 42 18 R.A.F. Coltishall
20 07 2 11 46 49 16 Loddon
18 07 1 10 37 43 15 Attleborough
18 06 0 12 31 58 12 Esdelle Works
18 04 2 12 24 66 10 Wroxham Res
21 02 0 19 18 106 04 Gothic Res


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55-56 Premier (15)
Aylsham, Blofield Heath, Coltishall, Hempnall, Hethersett, Loddon, Ludham, Mulbarton, Poringland, Rocklands, Sprowston, Stoke, Wroxham, Yelverton, York Athletic

56-57 Premier (14)
5 out - Blofield Heath, Loddon, Ludham, Poringland, York Athletic
4 in - Aslacton, Eaton Rangers, Little Melton, Reepham

57-58 no tables found

58-59 Premier (15)
Wroxham not listed in Premier or Junior Divisions

59-60 Premier (16)
Civil Service, Great Plumstead, Hempnall, Hickling, Little Melton, Lyng, Pulham United, Reepham, Rocklands, St. Andrews Res., Salthouse, Southrepps, Sprowston, Stoke, Wroxham, Yelverton

60-61 Junior Division (15)
Aslacton & Great Moulton, Attleborough Res., Aylsham Res., Buxton, Eaton Rangers Res., Hingham, Hoveton, Long Stratton, Marlpit United, Poringland, Rackheath, St. Faiths, Spixworth, Wroxham, Wymondham Old Boys Res.

61-62 no tables found

62-63 Junior Division (15)
8 In (from 60-61) - Buckenham United, Corpusty & Saxthorpe, Deopham, Frettenham, Hethersett, Little Melton, Mulbarton, Rocklands
8 Out (from 60-61) - Buxton, Eaton Rangers Res, Hingham, Hoveton, Long Stratton, Marlpit United, Rackheath, St. Faiths

63-64 Junior Division (15)
4 Out - Aylsham Res., Frettenham, Hethersett, Mulbarton
4 In - Felthorpe, Hoveton, Pulham United, St. Andrews Res.


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Steve S
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Jul 21, 2019, 10:12 AM

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John


That's great, thank you so much for taking the trouble to find that information, most grateful. It also gives me the incentive to concentrate further at the Pink 'Un rather than the EDP.
Best wishes


Steve

 
 


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