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Steveb
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Where’s Yatesman’s usual witty comments on this thread? Maybe he agrees with everyone on this, but can’t bring himself to say as much....



Aaah , That's nice that you value my input!!


The Ambassador had to go, End of!!

Trump was right to be angry and to not want any more to do with Darroch after learning of his opinions.

There was no point in Johnson backing Darroch as he was already toast by then.

Maybe diplomats will learn to use more diplomatic language and learn to judge people and situations professionally and pragmatically rather than emotively and personally.



I’m sure if every single diplomat across the world, had their memos revealed. Then most countries would have problems with what they have written. The issue is that Trump is so thin skinned, that he can’t cope with criticism & responds like a school yard bully. We shouldn’t allow the Americans to push us around & this is exactly what Boris did. This’ll have grave consequences for the future!


This really isn't about Trump

It's about a British diplomat engaging in petty name-calling instead of being a facilitator.
As I said earlier, he should have focussed on substance , pragmatism and professionalism , instead he got embroiled in the liberal lefty fondness for condescending and patronising judgementalism.
They never learn do they?


Despite losing election after election and alienating millions of good, honest, decent people they just can't get down off their self appointed positions of moral superiority.

I think it is right he resigned. He was quite demonstrably the wrong man for the job!


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You clearly have no understanding of the role of an ambassador. No surprise though.




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Aaah , That's nice that you value my input!!


The Ambassador had to go, End of!!

Trump was right to be angry and to not want any more to do with Darroch after learning of his opinions.

There was no point in Johnson backing Darroch as he was already toast by then.

Maybe diplomats will learn to use more diplomatic language and learn to judge people and situations professionally and pragmatically rather than emotively and personally.



I’m sure if every single diplomat across the world, had their memos revealed. Then most countries would have problems with what they have written. The issue is that Trump is so thin skinned, that he can’t cope with criticism & responds like a school yard bully. We shouldn’t allow the Americans to push us around & this is exactly what Boris did. This’ll have grave consequences for the future!


This really isn't about Trump

It's about a British diplomat engaging in petty name-calling instead of being a facilitator.
As I said earlier, he should have focussed on substance , pragmatism and professionalism , instead he got embroiled in the liberal lefty fondness for condescending and patronising judgementalism.
They never learn do they?


Despite losing election after election and alienating millions of good, honest, decent people they just can't get down off their self appointed positions of moral superiority.

I think it is right he resigned. He was quite demonstrably the wrong man for the job!


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You clearly have no understanding of the role of an ambassador. No surprise though.


Clearly I do and clearly you have proven the statement in my 2nd paragraph. .


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Nicola Sturgeon got it right.

Choosing between Hunt and Johnson is like 'asking me if I'd prefer to be run down by a lorry or a bus'.


Despite his many glaring character faults and lousy performance as Foreign Secretary, Johnson appears to be set to become PM this week.

I'd have thought it likely that he'd be a worse PM than most of his predecessors but he's going to have to work hard at being awful if he's to approach the uselessness of the present incumbent.

To agree to the seizing of an Iranian oil tanker off Gibraltar without ensuring that the Royal Navy was deployed in sufficient strength in the Gulf to prevent the Iranians reciprocating in kind, was utterly moronic.

At least she's departing No.10 this week.

Good riddance.

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Not really replying to anyone in particular : just tagging onto jon b's post as the next in line.

The 'next PM' question can surely be considered dispassionately on the grounds of the historical record. Unlike financial investments, past performance is a guide to future prospects.

So, if you employ Pep as your footy manager, you're going to get a passing and possession team. If you ask Big Sam, you'll get something more direct.

Equally with PMs.

It was clear from her impotent hectoring during tenure at the Home Office that Mrs May wasn't up to the job.

So, should Mr. Hunt get the job, he'll be someone who has alienated a workforce he controlled at Health. He'll be someone who pursues policies of transferring tax payer money to private corporations - as again he did at the NHS - and who is comfortable with wealth accruing to private individuals and companies through property holding.

If Mr. Johnson gets the job, he'll be someone who, during his time as London Mayor saw the city rise to become the world's money-laundering centre, caused a new design of bus to be made that is widely disliked - but brought in design fees from the taxpayer for his mates, a trick repeated in the Garden Bridge fiasco.

Both candidates espouse the idea that the way to prosperity is via tax cuts and that public services can run efficiently on ever-decreasing budgets.

Neither candidate therefore seems an attractive option

But before I'm tediously accused of liberal loony lefty sandal-wearing beardy lentil-munching tendencies, there is one positive about the candidatures of both Hunt and Johnson. They will prevent the scandalously incompetent incumbent leader of what is laughingly termed Her Majesty's Opposition getting anywhere near power.

Those who, in England, purport to represent us have never been more deserving of contempt.


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Whoever the next PM is, things have just got a whole lot worse. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has just been charged with sexual assault against 2 women. With the upcoming by-Election in Brecon & Radnorshire & the Lib Dem’s are massive favourites to take this seat. The Tories could end up with a majority of one https://www.independent.co.uk/...latest-a9015386.html


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Whoever the next PM is, things have just got a whole lot worse. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has just been charged with sexual assault against 2 women. With the upcoming by-Election in Brecon & Radnorshire & the Lib Dem’s are massive favourites to take this seat. The Tories could end up with a majority of one https://www.independent.co.uk/...latest-a9015386.html

The Tories don't have a majority.


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Whoever the next PM is, things have just got a whole lot worse. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has just been charged with sexual assault against 2 women. With the upcoming by-Election in Brecon & Radnorshire & the Lib Dem’s are massive favourites to take this seat. The Tories could end up with a majority of one https://www.independent.co.uk/...latest-a9015386.html

The Tories don't have a majority.



They have a majority if you include the DUP


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I think Boris will be itching to call a General Election, so a defeat in Brecon might speed that along.

Always assuming parliament votes for a General Election of course.


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Whoever the next PM is, things have just got a whole lot worse. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has just been charged with sexual assault against 2 women. With the upcoming by-Election in Brecon & Radnorshire & the Lib Dem’s are massive favourites to take this seat. The Tories could end up with a majority of one https://www.independent.co.uk/...latest-a9015386.html

The Tories don't have a majority.



They have a majority if you include the DUP

They have a majority if you include any number of other parties, including Labour. The DUP keep voting against the Government. The Tories don't have a majority.


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Whoever the next PM is, things have just got a whole lot worse. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has just been charged with sexual assault against 2 women. With the upcoming by-Election in Brecon & Radnorshire & the Lib Dem’s are massive favourites to take this seat. The Tories could end up with a majority of one https://www.independent.co.uk/...latest-a9015386.html

The Tories don't have a majority.



They have a majority if you include the DUP

They have a majority if you include any number of other parties, including Labour. The DUP keep voting against the Government. The Tories don't have a majority.



It’s being reported that 6 Tory MP’s are on the verge of defecting to the Lib Dem’s if Boris becomes PM. Expect a vote of no confidence in him if this happens. https://www.mirror.co.uk/...-government-18497112


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I think Boris will be itching to call a General Election, so a defeat in Brecon might speed that along.

Always assuming parliament votes for a General Election of course.


Yes, I suspect you're right 007.

Labour seem currently beset by problems over Brexit splits, entrenched anti-semitism and an unelectable Leader.

Trouble is, pretty much the same factors prompted May to call a General Election and it went horribly wrong for her. Johnson's a better election campaigner but GEs can throw up surprises.

However, if he can somehow achieve some sort of Brexit, whether Deal or No Deal, and then calls a General Election to validate it, I think he would have shot the Brexit Party fox and have a relatively united party behind him ready to do severe damage to a Jezza led Labour.

I don't think the Fixed Term Parliament rules would get in the way as MPs generally don't want to be seen as frightened to face the electorate. Labour, of course, have been making a big show of wanting a General Election, even though in reality they'd be terrified of one.
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I think Boris will be itching to call a General Election, so a defeat in Brecon might speed that along.

Always assuming parliament votes for a General Election of course.


Turkeys don’t often vote for Christmas.


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Those who, in England, purport to represent us have never been more deserving of contempt.


In the midst of all the doom and gloom I hope everyone's suitably grateful to the Lib Dems for providing a comedy moment.

Flushed with the adrenalin of a successful leadership election campaign Jo Swinson in her acceptance speech this afternoon told the party that:

“I stand before you today, not as just as the leader of the Liberal Democrats, but as a candidate for Prime Minister. There is no limit to my ambition for our party and for our movement. I am ready to take our party into a general election and win it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/...d-new-lib-dem-leader

Shades of David Steel in 1981 telling the party activists to go back to their constituencies and prepare for government. In the subsequent 1983 General Election it turned out that you needed a few more than the 23 Liberal/SDP Alliance MPs elected to take over at No.10.

From memory the 1983 General Election also saw a more personal comedy moment, when I put up a poster in a window for one party and my wife put a poster in another window for a different party. They weren't in alliance. Hopefully, we got the odd smile from passers-by.

Oddly enough, I don't think we argued about it at all.

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Just as a matter of historical fact, the Lib/SDP alliance got a greater share of votes, and more seats in 1983 than UKIP has ever done in any general election. (Read the caveats carefully true believers before you hit the keyboard)

Yet the performance of one party - with a defined range of policies and a series of experienced and able politicians - is seen as an almost- laughable historical quirk whilst that of the other, involving a party with just one policy and, at most, one leader of any stature, has changed the face of the nation entirely.

Funny old world.

(and no, I'm not a LibDem : my contempt for the current crop of politicians in England is comprehensive and complete)


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We are now the laughing stock of the World, our standing has hit rock bottom. The rich will get rich the poor will get poorer. I feel for those who voted remain and are not affluent, those who voted leave and are not affluent tough you voted for it, see what you've done. So many mislead souls will suffer for years. The right wing rich have won the day, they don't actually care about what the leave vote was, wake up they had an agenda and it will now be implemented.

Politics is a mess, Labour is not the answer. The EU is far, far from perfect and needs reform, but iit s Nirvana compared with the alternative.


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We are now the laughing stock of the World, our standing has hit rock bottom. The rich will get rich the poor will get poorer. I feel for those who voted remain and are not affluent, those who voted leave and are not affluent tough you voted for it, see what you've done. So many mislead souls will suffer for years. The right wing rich have won the day, they don't actually care about what the leave vote was, wake up they had an agenda and it will now be implemented.

Politics is a mess, Labour is not the answer. The EU is far, far from perfect and needs reform, but iit s Nirvana compared with the alternative.


Calm down, calm down!

Shall we give the man a chance? He’s not actually Prime Minister yet.

I expect he’ll make a pigs ear of things, but you never know. Let’s not forget, Londoners Elected the bloke twice and that’s not come crashing down.

If he delivers Brexit on the 31st October as planned I’ll Be (pleasantly) astonished, but stranger things have happened.


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We are now the laughing stock of the World, our standing has hit rock bottom. The rich will get rich the poor will get poorer. I feel for those who voted remain and are not affluent, those who voted leave and are not affluent tough you voted for it, see what you've done. So many mislead souls will suffer for years. The right wing rich have won the day, they don't actually care about what the leave vote was, wake up they had an agenda and it will now be implemented.

Politics is a mess, Labour is not the answer. The EU is far, far from perfect and needs reform, but iit s Nirvana compared with the alternative.


Given our new PM, I don’t think we’ve yet hit rock bottom. Give it a few weeks.




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Looking at the front pages of tomorrow's (23 July) newspapers the one in the Daily Telegraph does remind me of Benny Hill

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...-the-papers-49092664



The feeling of utter devastation when you pick up your mug and realise you already finished your tea.


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I doubt whether The Dude can be any worse then The Maybot.

However both are/were preferable to Comrade Corbyn.

God help us if he and side kick McDonnell ever get the opportunity to hold the reigns of power. And I say that as a non religious person !!


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God help us if he and side kick McDonnell ever get the opportunity to hold the reigns of power. And I say that as a non religious person !!


Why? What do you think they will do?


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God help us if he and side kick McDonnell ever get the opportunity to hold the reigns of power. And I say that as a non religious person !!


Why? What do you think they will do?


When recently interviewed McDonnell didn't deny the Centre for Policy Studies report that it would cost £176bn to carry out his renationaisation plans. Under his plans Labour would offer £20bn to water industry shareholders, which is less than its current £44bn market value. This is no more or less than state theft.

McDonnell then went on to say that financiers at GoldmanSachs and Scroders who have been earmarked to handle the transfers of assets, were on board. Well they would be wouldnt they as they stand to make millions from such transactions. He hasn't bothered to speak with the leaders of either the water or power companies who face renationaisation.

I could cite other economic nonsense that the Chancellor in waiting
is spouting, but would only add that he wishes to see the overthrow of capitalism that would see this nation reduced to the status of a
basket case that Venenzuela currently is.


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Thatcher sold the utilities on the cheap. Thousands of people made absolute fortunes out of the state owned sell off in the 80’s. They sold almost all the council house stock & left struggling people with the expensive private sector. Would buying it back on the cheap be theft? These utilities are making millions out of all of us.


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Thatcher sold the utilities on the cheap. Thousands of people made absolute fortunes out of the state owned sell off in the 80’s. They sold almost all the council house stock & left struggling people with the expensive private sector. Would buying it back on the cheap be theft? These utilities are making millions out of all of us.


They were sold off at market value at the time.

The beneficiaries were all of us in that our pensions benefitted from their rise in value as a result of the massive investment they subsequently received. Investment that the Treasury had starved them of for decades. Therein lies the problem with nationalisation.

I am not ideologically opposed to certain industries being returned to public ownership ( railways for example ) and being run as a public service.

However only at market value, otherwise it is theft and will have devastating effects throughout the whole economy as private investment will not be forthcoming.

The basic problem with Corbyns and McDonnells economic plans is that they bring short term benefits to the consumer but as has been shown where such experiments have been undertaken, long term decline of the industries in question.

Such economic thinking has never worked and McDonnells pledge to destroy capitalism will leave us all worse off.

Stronger and more efficient regulation of core utilities is the way forward IMO, not ideological fantasies.


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The collapse of the banking system showed the capitalism isn’t anywhere near perfect. A no deal Brexit could lead us into a massive recession. So Boris will have to be the best PM of this generation, to survive & lead the Tories onto victory at the next General Election. All those that know him, think he’s going to fall way short of what is required. This tiny majority(with the DUP) might fall if he tries to go for a no deal Brexit. I personally would like to see David Miliband swoop in & save the Labour Party & the country.


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They were sold off at market value at the time.


All the Thatcher-era prviatisations were at WAY below market value, hence the immediate rise in share price in the 24 hours after open trading began.

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