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Ronsdog
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They were sold off at market value at the time.


All the Thatcher-era prviatisations were at WAY below market value, hence the immediate rise in share price in the 24 hours after open trading began.


It was James Callaghan that began the privatisation of state assets in 1977 when his administration sold off some 17% of BP. This sale helped stave off the nations bankruptcy and preceeded the IMF bailout.

It wasn't until 1984 that Thatcher, faced with a similar catastrophic public debt burden after the 1980/81 recession, rolled out British Telecom to be sold off. As I recall the public offer was oversubscribed by a factor of 10 which caused the share price rise.

Bringing any public asset to the market is always fraught with problems as establishing its opening value is determined by market conditions as no track record exists.

I would concede the point however with regard to Qinetiq which was subject to a private equity sale prior to its public flotation; but that was well after the Thatcher era.

However this in no way gives the government carte Blanche to effectively seize assets and compensate at less than half of their true value. That is theft and driven by nothing more than ideology and envy.

Which is why Corbyn and McDonnell and their entourage present a real danger to the nations economic health.
Public utilities today, private personal assets tomorrowMad


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Labour has failed to learn lessons of the past.

The more they lurch to the left, with ridiculous out-dated policies, the more the Tories can move to the right. Just look at the people sat around the cabinet table this morning.

With Labour under Foot, Thatcher seized the moment. If labour had a more centrist leader (someone mentioned David Milliband) would Boris be so brave with his cabinet?


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Labour has failed to learn lessons of the past.

The more they lurch to the left, with ridiculous out-dated policies, the more the Tories can move to the right. Just look at the people sat around the cabinet table this morning.

With Labour under Foot, Thatcher seized the moment. If labour had a more centrist leader (someone mentioned David Milliband) would Boris be so brave with his cabinet?


Labour are less of a political party than the Brexit Party ,

The are just a virtue signalling pressure group without a Scooby Doo of how to appeal to voters or run the country.

I like Johnsn's no-nonsense approach to creating his cabinet. That sends a strong message......

I'm loving the way the BBC are struggling with the whole concept of a Boris Johnson Government.

Their attempt to influence the outcome of the Tory leadership election has failed and now they are struggling to work out their stance against the Johnson regime.

The buffoon strategy seeed to play well with those already set against Johnson but not the Tory membership so what's a biased and partisan news corporation to do now?

It will be interesting to see how their strategy develops.


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Their strategy this morning seems to be one of overkill on the new appointments with an underlying sense of bemusement at the scale of changes and an exagerated focus on the mechanics of the nature of the appointments and an overuse of hyperbole with the use of words such as 'dramatic' and 'radical' when he's done exactly as expected.

Charlie State has made several references to the 'Cult of Boris' and the 'personality of Boris' so the tactic from the BBC might be to disassociate the Boris Johnson Govt from the country as a whole ...........We'll see !


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Labour has failed to learn lessons of the past.

The more they lurch to the left, with ridiculous out-dated policies, the more the Tories can move to the right. Just look at the people sat around the cabinet table this morning.


And they open a great big void in the middle.

Latest poll (post Johnson winning the Tory election)


Tories + Brexit + DUP c43%
Lab + LD + Green + SNP + PC c56%


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Labour has failed to learn lessons of the past.

The more they lurch to the left, with ridiculous out-dated policies, the more the Tories can move to the right. Just look at the people sat around the cabinet table this morning.


And they open a great big void in the middle.

Latest poll (post Johnson winning the Tory election)


Tories + Brexit + DUP c43%
Lab + LD + Green + SNP + PC c56%


Absolutely; this is where the Lib Dem’s should be hoovering up support. It’s astonishing it’s taken until this year for them to start a proper resurgence.

Trouble is, even at the height of popularity, they’ll do well to get more than 50 seats.

The Tories edged left in nineties and noughties to counter the liberal surge. They are now heading right to head off Brexit / UKIP.

When / if they deliver Brexit, they’ll be able to nudge back left again.

If they manage all of this whilst in Government, then the Labour Party has truly missed an opportunity.


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Labour has failed to learn lessons of the past.

The more they lurch to the left, with ridiculous out-dated policies, the more the Tories can move to the right. Just look at the people sat around the cabinet table this morning.


And they open a great big void in the middle.

Latest poll (post Johnson winning the Tory election)


Tories + Brexit + DUP c43%
Lab + LD + Green + SNP + PC c56%



The problem is that 43% will be enough for a massive majority for the far right if the Brexit Party don't stand against Tory Brexiteers. The only way to defeat them is co-operation between the other parties. That will never happen while Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party as he doesn't do compromise.



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I watched the new PM taking questions in parliament today and he performed well and was far more animated than Mrs May and Boris coped with everything thrown at him in a confident manner.



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I watched the new PM taking questions in parliament today and he performed well and was far more animated than Mrs May and Boris coped with everything thrown at him in a confident manner.


Confidence, regardless of ability, is what you get from an Eton education.




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I watched the new PM taking questions in parliament today and he performed well and was far more animated than Mrs May and Boris coped with everything thrown at him in a confident manner.

I must have seen the bad bit when the charade of PMQs was never better exposed. Even Jacob Rees-Mogg momentarily raised an eyebrow very slightly in a just-about-detectable gesture of disapproval.

Still, he's shaking things up. It's not going to be boring from here!




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Johnson's positivity is infectious.

He seems to be in full GE mode

Corbyn is out and about in Liverpool trying ( and failing) to engender the same sort of 'Can Do' spirit.

Comes across like the weedy, boring Geography teacher at school we all used to take the piss out of.

Johnson is like the bullish Sports teacher we all had a laugh with
and all wanted to play for!


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Yes, it looks like the Tories are anxious to go for a General Election that pitches Johnson v Corbyn.

The massed glum faces of Labour MPs sat behind Jezza and his fifth rate shadow cabinet (other than Keir Starmer) as the new PM ran rings round the Leader of HM Opposition in the HofC last week, shows that they're well aware of the danger.

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007Dale
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For those that love an opinion poll (you know who you are) deltapoll for the MoS has a significant ‘Boris Bounce’

Tories: 30% (+10%)
Labour: 25%
Lib Dem: 18%
Brexit Party: 14%

The poll also says labour would be in the lead if they ditch Corbyn (by taking votes from LD). Although I suspect it would very much depend on who they swapped him with (ie not Abbott, McDonnell etc)


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The overwhelming majority of Labour MPs would ditch Corbyn without a moment's hesitation, unfortunately for them a majority of the membership still back him, so they're stuck.

However, if he stood aside for McDonnell it wouldn't be as dicey for Labour as once was the case, as it would be difficult for the Tories to accuse McDonnell of looking for a "magic money tree", seeing how Johnson seems to have discovered an orchard of such trees and is busy shaking them.

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Johnson's positivity is infectious.

He seems to be in full GE mode

Corbyn is out and about in Liverpool trying ( and failing) to engender the same sort of 'Can Do' spirit.

Comes across like the weedy, boring Geography teacher at school we all used to take the piss out of.

Johnson is like the bullish Sports teacher we all had a laugh with
and all wanted to play for!


I suspect your sports teacher would make a better PM. Positivity on it's own is worthless. Boris needs a cunning plan and he probably doesn't have one. We already seem to have some disagreement in the cabinet. Bojo says that No deal is 'a remote possibility' whilst his old friend Gove regards it as inevitable.



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Johnson's positivity is infectious.

He seems to be in full GE mode

Corbyn is out and about in Liverpool trying ( and failing) to engender the same sort of 'Can Do' spirit.

Comes across like the weedy, boring Geography teacher at school we all used to take the piss out of.

Johnson is like the bullish Sports teacher we all had a laugh with
and all wanted to play for!


I suspect your sports teacher would make a better PM. Positivity on it's own is worthless. Boris needs a cunning plan and he probably doesn't have one. We already seem to have some disagreement in the cabinet. Bojo says that No deal is 'a remote possibility' whilst his old friend Gove regards it as inevitable.


Well I , for one, am pleased that our Gov't are finally acting pragmatically and preparing seriously for No Deal.

The odds of a No Deal have shortened dramatically over the past couple of months and it is right the Gov't recognises that.

Your hopes of a disagreement within the Cabinet are fanciful.


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And Boris Johnson becomes the first political leader to leave the official residence of Scotland's First Minister by the back door.

What a triumphant visit to North Britain.


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And Boris Johnson becomes the first political leader to leave the official residence of Scotland's First Minister by the back door.

What a triumphant visit to North Britain.


I'm pretty sure he left Bute House through the door closest to his car, but there you go.
No point in engaging with North Britain Nationalist Rent-a-Mob types anyway.......it's not like you can get any sense out of that lot.

Johnson has been really clever in visiting the 4 nations......that's a box ticked.
Phoned Varadkar....box ticked

He can ignore them now and just get on with delivering Brexit because what has gone on this far had been a picnic in the park compared to the storm that's brewing.
The Elitists in the media, especially the BBC and Channel4, in political opposition, in the civil service, in academia, in the press, in globalist industries and quangos and all those who benefit from the status quo etc will pull out all the stops and their will be a tsunami of lies, negativity, disingenuity, fake news and any other means available to discredit Brexit and thec17.4 million Brexit voters and to stop the will of the people.

There will be a shit storm the likes of which the world has never seen before......brace yourselves!


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But this Guardian piece on the views of a Johnson advisor gives us some hope that not everything will be terrible.

https://www.theguardian.com/...K&CMP=GTUK_email



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"Johnson has been really clever in visiting the 4 nations......that's a box ticked....

He can ignore them now "

BWAHAHAHAHA


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Johnson has been really clever in visiting the 4 nations......that's a box ticked.
Phoned Varadkar....box ticked

He can ignore them now and just get on with delivering Brexit


"really clever"

Seriously? You think anyone's taken in by it? Nobody outside England that's for sure.

Picking my son up off night shift this morning we wondered how many months/years it would be before he again visited the other three members of the "awesome foursome".

It would have helped us avoid being an international laughing stock if pre Referendum someone in Brexiter Central had remembered there was a place called Ireland with a bloodily complicated past and present together with a border that's been a pretend border since 1998.

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Johnson has been really clever in visiting the 4 nations......that's a box ticked.
Phoned Varadkar....box ticked

He can ignore them now and just get on with delivering Brexit


"really clever"

Seriously? You think anyone's taken in by it? Nobody outside England that's for sure.

Picking my son up off night shift this morning we wondered how many months/years it would be before he again visited the other three members of the "awesome foursome".

It would have helped us avoid being an international laughing stock if pre Referendum someone in Brexiter Central had remembered there was a place called Ireland with a bloodily complicated past and present together with a border that's been a pretend border since 1998.

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Yes ,it's the same with Sturgeon.

She was at The Border Union Show in Kelso on Saturday...........I'll not hold my breath until the next time she remembers her Borderers.

Your comments regarding Ireland are facile.

There's a solution there. It just needs Varadker to stop playing Johnny Big Bollox.

The sight of another Irish politician playing the plucky rebel persona is tedious in extremis.

He needs to approach this in the mature and pragmatic way the issue requires.


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Yes ,it's the same with Sturgeon.

She was at The Border Union Show in Kelso on Saturday...........I'll not hold my breath until the next time she remembers her Borderers.




Among the special guests at this year's Springwood Park show was First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

"Ms Sturgeon spent a couple of hours at the Show, discussing the uncertainty in farming caused by Brexit and giving assurances of her own government's commitment to the sector"
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Your comments regarding Ireland are facile.

There's a solution there. It just needs Varadker to stop playing Johnny Big Bollox.

The sight of another Irish politician playing the plucky rebel persona is tedious in extremis.

He needs to approach this in the mature and pragmatic way the issue requires.


Mature and pragmatic have made no appearance in the UK Brexit strategy since this whole sorry saga unfolded. Still, better to blame someone else as that's always a good rabble-rouser.


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Working majority down to 1 after defeat in Breacon for the Tories.

However scratch beneath the surface:
- Brexit supporting parties command a majority
- Labour down to 4th with just 5% of votes.
- electoral pact between Plaid, Greens & LD’s unites the remain vote.

What does this mean:
- clearly Boris needs a similar ‘Brexit pact’ if he goes for an election
- could a Remain pact work across the country? I imagine some squabbling amongst the local parties when it comes to it.
- Labour are in massive, massive trouble. With JC in charge, they are doomed.

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