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Mr. T
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I'd be less concerned about the Minor Counties competition than the neglect of the County Championship, marginalised as it is to the early and late weeks of the season, and, next year, the pointless gimmick that is 'The 100'.


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The County Championship was played in May, June & July this year when the World Cup was on so no excuse this year.

Most counties have more people attend one T20 game than all their CC games combined so you can totally understand why White Ball games are played during high summer.

Root becomes the first England Captain since Nasser Hussain to lose back to back Ashes series, maybe just maybe that will be enough for him to be finally ditched as Captain and for the media to stop calling him world class especially when he bottles it EVERY time the pressure is on.



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Mr. T
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The point about the CC is that it has been treated poorly for a while and isn't producing the players suited to the longer game. Many commentators are concerned about the standard of cricket. And there were games in April this year starting as early as the 5th and there will be games starting as late as Sept 26th.

T20 certainly does bring in revenue but at what cost to the development of proper players?

And England haven't lost the series yet.


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Valid points made by both of you. But as we all know money talks, every County appears to be only concerned with the one day stuff, and who can blame them? But if they were rewarded for producing "proper" batsmen who can occupy the crease instead of what we currently have to select from, then maybe next time they have 4 decent youngsters they might select the most correct one just for the longer form of the game. But the rewards must be there for player and County. Difficult with the riches on offer around the World, but only a handful ever get the big dosh. But (unlike football) Cricket only has a limited amount of money, so cuts have to be made, Minor Counties have felt the cuts for next season, but (being nasty) M C is just an average competition for average players, why should they get everything paid for. They never used to, they had to get sponsorship and benefactors to support them.


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I don't follow the game closely but, assuming the rise in popularity in short form cricket is a worldwide phenomenon rather than peculiar to England, why should it negatively impact our pool of talent more than that of any other country at test match level?

Following on from that, how fair would it be to say that the influence of one day cricket on players' skillsets just means that test match cricket across the board is becoming different to days of old, rather than necessarily worse (or even better)?


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Spot on Paul. But every decade or so we actually get a decent test match V Australia and hanker for the longer form of the game, silly really when the rest of the time hardly anyone really cares about it.
And I’ve decided to stop dreaming that one day the Counties might produce “real” cricketers again, just happened to see what was going on at Beckenham this week.
Kent / Northants 2nd XI V Glamorgan 2nd XI
They can’t even muster 11 players for a game.
I’m sure a creditable organisation like the Nether Wallop and district tiddly winks association div 5b would never allow this!!


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271-8. That's like, nearly 500.
And six of the nine 'first class' games have finished inside three days!


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At Lords neither Middlesex nor Durham posted 200. The highest individual score was Sam Robson's 65 in the Middlesex 2nd innings. 25 of the batsmen failed to post double figure scores.



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Dane Vilas yesterday became the 4th batsman to 1000 runs in the County Championship this year (3 of them in Division 2). I know there's been a reduction in games but I can remember when 1000 runs in May was the objective.


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I can remember when 1000 runs in May was the objective.

It's now more feasible than it has been for a long time given the ludicrous front-loading of the first-class fixtures. A warm, dry spring is all that is needed to increase the likelihood.


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In May has been done only three times; there are six instances of 1,000 runs before the end of May. Don Bradman has two of the latter, which shows how long Australian touring teams spent in the country back then.

I was at New Road in 1988 when Graeme Hick scored 172* to achieve the feat, the last man to do so.


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