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windydcfc
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Statement from Bury https://www.buryfc.co.uk/...-bury-football-club/
Reading social media, almost all Bury fans want owner Steve Dale to sell up & never go anywhere near their club again. I wonder if his ego will end up killing the club?



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Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
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By now, I think their problems run deeper than Dale's ego. The reported debts are still huge compared to the residual value the club would have if someone paid them off, so they're looking for a benefactor not an investor. If I were a Bury fan, I'd be more worried about keeping Dale away from a phoenix club than about whet he does with what's left of the original.



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Which is surely Dale's problem from the start. He jumped into ownership without finding out the scale of a benefactor the club needed.

The problems are surely caused more by his predecessor



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windydcfc
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Which is surely Dale's problem from the start. He jumped into ownership without finding out the scale of a benefactor the club needed.

The problems are surely caused more by his predecessor



Dale taking Bury into a CVA allows him to dictate the future(being the largest creditor). So he’s not some innocent bystander in the sorry mess.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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Another statement from the EFL & things aren’t getting any better for Bury. The Gillingham game is now under treat of being suspended https://www.efl.com/...l-statement-bury-fc/
A statement from the club and I think they are imploring that Steve Dale sells up https://www.buryfc.co.uk/...-from-bury-fc-staff/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Another statement from the EFL & things aren’t getting any better for Bury. The Gillingham game is now under treat of being suspended https://www.efl.com/...l-statement-bury-fc/
A statement from the club and I think they are imploring that Steve Dale sells up https://www.buryfc.co.uk/...-from-bury-fc-staff/



Bury owner Steve Dale has stated that he intends to sell the club https://www.thesun.co.uk/...ury-steve-dale-sell/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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Another statement from the EFL & things aren’t getting any better for Bury. The Gillingham game is now under treat of being suspended https://www.efl.com/...l-statement-bury-fc/
A statement from the club and I think they are imploring that Steve Dale sells up https://www.buryfc.co.uk/...-from-bury-fc-staff/



Bury owner Steve Dale has stated that he intends to sell the club https://www.thesun.co.uk/...ury-steve-dale-sell/



The EFL has released another official statement & Bury’s game against Gillingham has been suspended https://www.efl.com/...illingham-suspended/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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How many games are the EFL prepared to suspend? If these games are to be played then they will come a cut off point hen there aren't enough free match days left to fit them in.



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The EFL have given the club until Friday the 23rd to come up with the evidence they want or they will be expelled (you should be able to Google what that evidence is).



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Fixture number five is off: the game scheduled for Tuesday 20 at Rotherham.


windydcfc
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Here’s the statement from the EFL https://www.efl.com/...am-united-v-bury-fc/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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From the Daily Mail, owner Steve Dale is claiming he's owed £3.7M as well as his "Son-in-Law's" company RCR being owed £7.1M.



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There is a lot of doubt to be had as to whether these sums of money have been put in by the people claiming them
https://twitter.com/.../1161922610831249410



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From the Daily Mail, owner Steve Dale is claiming he's owed £3.7M as well as his "Son-in-Law's" company RCR being owed £7.1M.


No problem, the creditors have agreed their payback and he claims the funds are in place to pay them...

Horrible sense of deja vu here, recalling some of the creditors Vaughan claimed Chester City had before they went under.


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I'm guessing the game v Tranmere has to be in doubt now?

It's a horrid situation one which appears to heading towards the end game on Thursday....


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I'm guessing the game v Tranmere has to be in doubt now?


Bury's whole existence is in doubt at the moment, never mind the Tranmere fixture.

Is it time yet to consider the ramifications of the expulsion. How far down would it filter, where could a Bury Phoenix be fitted back into the pyramid?




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I'm guessing the game v Tranmere has to be in doubt now?

It's a horrid situation one which appears to heading towards the end game on Thursday....


Yes we haven't really been expecting it to take place for a few weeks now. We were informed last week that a decision about suspending the fixture will be made either today or tomorrow (I've forgotten which).


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Either.

Statement read =
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''Bury are due to play Tranmere Rovers on 24 August 2019 and, because of the close proximity to the notice of withdrawal deadline, a decision on whether to suspend that fixture will take place in the early part of week commencing 19 August 2019.''



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I'm guessing the game v Tranmere has to be in doubt now?


Bury's whole existence is in doubt at the moment, never mind the Tranmere fixture.

Is it time yet to consider the ramifications of the expulsion. How far down would it filter, where could a Bury Phoenix be fitted back into the pyramid?


It’s an interesting situation because it’s possible the club doesn’t actually go pop, even if it’s expelled (in all likelihood it would), but it’s possible that a Phoenix club wouldn’t actually be needed and if the fans can wrestle the club off of Dale, then the same club could join the pyramid next season (don’t know where).


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Rochdale game off, Wednesday awarded league Cup tie. https://www.efl.com/...ent-bury-fc-update3/


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From the statement;


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"Bury would then be free to make an application to the Football Association to re-join league competition further down the English football pyramid from season 2020/21."


Do we have any ideas on how far further down?



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It’s an interesting situation because it’s possible the club doesn’t actually go pop, even if it’s expelled (in all likelihood it would), but it’s possible that a Phoenix club wouldn’t actually be needed and if the fans can wrestle the club off of Dale, then the same club could join the pyramid next season (don’t know where).

The FA retains discretion over where a League club would reappear if it goes under and a phoenix club is created, unlike a club at steps 1-3 for which step 5 is now automatically the highest level they can re-start.

If there was a possibility that a phoenix club could re-start at step 3 or 4, it's hard to see why anyone would want to pay several million to clear the CVA liabilities and all remaining football-related debts and probably get told to re-start at step 2 anyway. Why not let the club go pop and buy all or part of the assets from liquidation.

Which is a long winded way of saying I really don't see a way out of this from where they are now. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong, of course.



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Rochdale game off, Wednesday awarded league Cup tie. https://www.efl.com/...ent-bury-fc-update3/


Tranmere not Rochdale?

I think the "Dale" involved here is the individual/problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49410172

Presumably he thinks by spinning it out to the last possible moment he'll get a better offer.

Perhaps he's imitating Bojo. Trouble is Boris doesn't appear to mind crashing out.

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Rochdale game off, Wednesday awarded league Cup tie. https://www.efl.com/...ent-bury-fc-update3/


Tranmere not Rochdale?

I think the "Dale" involved here is the individual/problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49410172


Presumably he thinks by spinning it out to the last possible moment he'll get a better offer.

Perhaps he's imitating Bojo. Trouble is Boris doesn't appear to mind crashing out.

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Your correct obviously it was brain fart time


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obviously it was brain fart time


A good description of the thought processes of the Bury Chairman.

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