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Yatesman
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There are 13 people in that post of yours.

17,400,000 people voted to Leave. ............ All tax dodgers are they?

I suggest there are far more Remainers snaffling from the EU Gravy Train heckling us and trying to deny us our democratic choice...........Far More!


Yatesman
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Could you watch the language please. It doesn't help the point you are trying to make.
Whatever that may be.


Even without the profanities the point I am making is quite straightforward..........In fact it's the same point BBC news correspondent Simon Jack was making when interviewing Gordon Brown.

He made the point that Boris Johnson wants a deal and the EU wants a deal and therefore any manoueverings by Parlliamentarians to legislate against a no-deal Brexit is undermining Boris Johnson's, therefore the United Kingdom's, negotiating ability.

It is quite simple, You aren't stupid, therefore I believe you DO understand the basis and structure of the point I and many others make on this matter.


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Could you watch the language please. It doesn't help the point you are trying to make.
Whatever that may be.


Even without the profanities the point I am making is quite straightforward..........In fact it's the same point BBC news correspondent Simon Jack was making when interviewing Gordon Brown.

He made the point that Boris Johnson wants a deal and the EU wants a deal and therefore any manoueverings by Parlliamentarians to legislate against a no-deal Brexit is undermining Boris Johnson's, therefore the United Kingdom's, negotiating ability.

It is quite simple, You aren't stupid, therefore I believe you DO understand the basis and structure of the point I and many others make on this matter.



Let me rephrase it for you then. No matter what point you are trying to make the language doesn't help you make it.

It really isn't that simple. I don't believe Johnson has any intention of securing a deal with the EU and is just paying lip service to the idea so that he can blame the EU for being intransigent.

He knows that the world won't collapse on November 1st, everyone will still go to work as normal, shops will be open, trains will run, people will be saying well this isn't so bad, just like the supposed millennium computer bug and he will be saying there you see I jolly well told you it will all be okay.

What happens after that is anyones guess.. it's a throw of the dice but economists, politicians, specialists, pretty much every study into what happens after says that whatever number we throw on that dice we will be worse off. It's pretty understandable that even a large number of Tory MPs want to stop that happening as history records their voting patterns.


Yatesman
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I actually believe the odd profanity can add some 'ooomph' ( to borrow some BorisSpeak ) to a post but accept it's not acceptable to many folk.

As for No Deal, it's only 'Any Guess' what will happen if we are not prepared enough.

The biggest failig of May's Gov't was her lack of planning for No Deal........a blinkered and suicidal fear of No Deal completely hamstrung her Premiership and her negotiating strategy.

There is Nothing to fear from No Deal if yu are properly prepared .
Thankfully Boris has recognised that with gusto.

This article is worth a read:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...-No-Deal-Brexit.html


(This post was edited by Yatesman on Aug 27, 2019, 7:05 AM)


PaulC
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Millionaire Tory writing for Daily Fail has no fear of No Deal Brexit,
LOL!


MelChester
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Boris's Porkies will save us, if the Americans swallow them.


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Boris's Porkies will save us, if the Americans swallow them.


Americans will swallow anything that involves pork but they're not that gullible and big US companies are rubbing their hands and wallets for what is in store for them in the UK once harvest time is here.



The feeling of utter devastation when you pick up your mug and realise you already finished your tea.


007Dale
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Interesting statement from Nigel Farage today, he will make an election pact with Boris Johnson if he supports a no-deal Brexit.

I suspect Boris won’t need an election pact with Nigel if he delivers no-deal, as Brexit Party have no purpose.

However, if Boris tries and is blocked by Parliament’s Axis of Remain, then a Labour wipe-out will surely follow in the subsequent General Election.


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However, if Boris tries and is blocked by Parliament’s Axis of Remain, then a Labour wipe-out will surely follow in the subsequent General Election.


Why?


007Dale
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However, if Boris tries and is blocked by Parliament’s Axis of Remain, then a Labour wipe-out will surely follow in the subsequent General Election.


Why?


In a Farage / Johnson GE pact:

1. Remove Brexit candidates from Tory seats.
2. Give Brexit Party a free run against Labour Leave constituencies.
3. Lib Dem’s attack Labour’s Remain constituencies
4. Remain Nationalists hold firm in the regions against Labour.

It’s a hell of step to assume any Tory Remain constituencies are going to flip Labour under a Corbyn leadership. They might switch Lib Dem.

Labour’s Brexit policy is still a mess.

May end up with parliament looking something like;
Tory; 350
Brexit; 50
Lib Dem; 50
Nationalists; 40
DUP; 10
Other; 10
Labour; 140?


PaulC
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Millionaire Tory writing for Daily Fail has no fear of No Deal Brexit,
LOL!


A rich Brexiteer does what many rich Brexiteers have already done - fled the country with his money.

Jim Ratcliffe, richest man formerly in Britain, takes his money to Monaco in advance of the impending further collapse of sterling and to avoid paying his fair share of tax to fund the NHS and schools.

From there he buys up OGC Nice and Team Sky.

Yet another example of Brexiteers being led by the nose by the elite who have played them like a fiddle.


Yatesman
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Millionaire Tory writing for Daily Fail has no fear of No Deal Brexit,
LOL!


A rich Brexiteer does what many rich Brexiteers have already done - fled the country with his money.

Jim Ratcliffe, richest man formerly in Britain, takes his money to Monaco in advance of the impending further collapse of sterling and to avoid paying his fair share of tax to fund the NHS and schools.

From there he buys up OGC Nice and Team Sky.

Yet another example of Brexiteers being led by the nose by the elite who have played them like a fiddle.


Personally, I don't buy in to the politics of envy.

Rich folk moving themselves and their wealth around the globe is nothing new and pre-dates Brexit by decades , if not centuries!!

Your final paragraph is simply extremist paranoia and probably the least quantifiable conclusion ever drawn.

More like a shrill, hateful sound bite. Lefty dogwhistle politics that is really anti-Working class and anti- Democrattc!


PaulC
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LOL!


PaulC
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Johnson is planning to suspend our Parliament from mid-September to mid-October in order to push through a No Deal Brexit we don't want.

And Brexiteers talk about democracy!!


007Dale
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Johnson is planning to suspend our Parliament from mid-September to mid-October in order to push through a No Deal Brexit we don't want.

And Brexiteers talk about democracy!!


All very dramatic wording, but all he’s doing is announcing a Queen’s speech. We have had an extraordinarily long session and as a new Prime Minister he has a domestic agenda he wants to deliver.

Of course, the added bonus is that it stops the ‘Axis of Remain’ from preventing a no-deal Brexit.

Purely coincidental benefit.

Honest.


PaulC
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Purely coincidental benefit.

Honest.


Aye. Right.


PaulC
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Johnson is planning to suspend our Parliament from mid-September to mid-October in order to push through a No Deal Brexit we don't want.

And Brexiteers talk about democracy!!


All very dramatic wording, but all he’s doing is announcing a Queen’s speech. We have had an extraordinarily long session and as a new Prime Minister he has a domestic agenda he wants to deliver.

Of course, the added bonus is that it stops the ‘Axis of Remain’ from preventing a no-deal Brexit.

Purely coincidental benefit.

Honest.


The Speaker of the House of Commons appears to disagree with you.




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The Speaker of the House of Commons appears to disagree with you.



John Bercow is absolutely right.

Please sign the petition.


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After this move, I never want to hear any smug remainer ever gain say anything else is "undemocratic".

Parliament has already been under recess for over a month, when they should be debating over the most important issue they've had to deal with in recent peacetime memory. Now the Prime Minster wants to shut it down for another month to prevent debate taking place. Never mind all the other issues that are also prevented from being debated and voted on.

The United Kingdom is becoming (at least a temporary) dictatorship all designed to push through something that doesn't have a majority in the House of Commons and will benefit the very rich and the racists in the country and leave the other 99% worse off.


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On the subject of offshore investments, surely anyone who is an MP should be barred from having such investments as it is a conflict of interests?.

I love the way so many in this country want to get rid of bona fida tax payers but support those who evade tax.


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So, Parliamentarians and their supporters that have obstructed the will of the people as expressed in the Brexit referendum of 2016 are outraged that they are now being by-passed. How ironic.

The political choice of our current government to suspend Parliament is supported by this leaver as a means to an end.


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So, Parliamentarians and their supporters that have obstructed the will of the people as expressed in the Brexit referendum of 2016 are outraged that they are now being by-passed. How ironic.

The political choice of our current government to suspend Parliament is supported by this leaver as a means to an end.


But many / most did not vote for a no deal, they voted for Brexit with a deal, the Swiss model, Norway plus, Canada plus, plus which many remainers would willing accept. Of the people who now even own up to lvoting leave, (many now lie to save face) say they do not support a no deal, and they certainly don't think Boris should be PM. No I don't know who should be but certainly not him. Very few voted for a right wing millionaire jolly boys club to line the pockets of the few. They only want to leave to avoid EU laws which stop there financial dealings, said dealings which are to the detriment to the general public.


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So, Parliamentarians and their supporters that have obstructed the will of the people as expressed in the Brexit referendum of 2016 are outraged that they are now being by-passed. How ironic.

The political choice of our current government to suspend Parliament is supported by this leaver as a means to an end.


The UK is a parliamentary democracy - not a populist one.

The sooner Brexiteers actually understand that, the better.


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I can only speak for myself when I say that I voted to leave the EU by whatever means necessary.

With or without a deal, which was not an option btw, I simply wished to leave the bloc.

Remainers with the connivance of many parliamentarians have used every excuse to frustrate this decision, including raising the prospect of a second referendum, an EU tactic used in the past to further delay.

The default position is that we will exit the EU on October 31st 2019, which we can then celebrate with a public holiday commemorating our Independence Day.


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Remainers with the connivance of many parliamentarians have used every excuse to frustrate this decision, including raising the prospect of a second referendum, an EU tactic used in the past to further delay.

Some of the hypocrites are trying to pretend that they have now accepted the referendum result and that they merely want to prevent 'the dangerous no-deal exit that nobody voted for'. As that doughty Yorkie put it on 'Question Time': "The ballot paper didn't say 'Turn over and answer the question on the kind of deal you want.'"

The real 'constitutional outrage' occurred in 1972.

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