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derekn
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Round One
There are 10 groups of either 5 or 6 teams who will play each other once.
3 points for a win, 2 points for a winning draw, 1 point for a losing draw.
There is no extra time, drawn games go straight to penalties.
Group 1
AFC Sudbury
Bury Town
Coggeshall Town
Felixstowe & Walton United
Heybridge Swifts
Maldon & Tiptree
Group 2
Aveley
Barking
Brentwood Town
Grays Athletic
Romford
Waltham Abbey
Group 3
Basildon United
Canvey Island
Great Wakering Rovers
Hullbridge Sports
Tilbury
Witham Town
Group 4
Bracknell Town
Chalfont St Peter
FC Romania
Hanwell Town
Marlow
Westfield
Group 5
Cambridge City
Harlow Town
Hertford Town
Histon
Soham Town Rangers
Ware
Group 6
Ashford United
Faversham Town
Herne Bay
Hythe Town
Ramsgate
Whitstable Town
Group 7
Burgess Hill Town
Chichester City
East Grinstead Town
Hastings United
Haywards Heath Town
Three Bridges
Group 8
Ashford Town (Mx)
Bedfont Sports
Northwood
Staines Town
Uxbridge
Group 9
Cray Valley PM
Phoenix Sports
Sevenoaks Town
Sittingbourne
VCD Athletic
Group 10
Chertsey Town
Chipstead
South Park
Tooting & Mitcham United
Whyteleafe

Fixture dates are weeks beginning 2/9/19, 22/9/19, 7/10/19, 21/10/19 and 4/11/19. All games must be complete by 22/11/19.
Dereham Town, Guernsey and Whitehawk do not appear to be taking part, hence the 3 groups with only 5 teams.


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Was it 3 years ago the clubs voted for smaller divisions as midweek attendances were awful? Then they come up with this nonsense, 2 more league games would be a lot better than this crap, I’d imagine most of the clubs crowds will be so low they’ll end up losing money.
Out of interest, what constitutes a losing / winning draw? Works in Cricket when one team has more overs than the other one, but can’t see how it works in Football.
Did I also read somewhere that the M Mouse competition will be allowing FIVE subs?
I would go on the league website for more info, but I’m worried I’d become addicted to gambling.


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Was it 3 years ago the clubs voted for smaller divisions as midweek attendances were awful? Then they come up with this nonsense, 2 more league games would be a lot better than this crap, I’d imagine most of the clubs crowds will be so low they’ll end up losing money.
Out of interest, what constitutes a losing / winning draw? Works in Cricket when one team has more overs than the other one, but can’t see how it works in Football.
Did I also read somewhere that the M Mouse competition will be allowing FIVE subs?
I would go on the league website for more info, but I’m worried I’d become addicted to gambling.


Whether you win on penalties or not, happens in the EFL Trophy and Scottish League Cup to name a couple.



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youngster
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Thanks for that, I'd never come across winning draw before, but I don't take any notice of M Mouse cups.


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Clubs did indeed vote for smaller divisions and then last season, when they had spare midweeks, they set about arranging lots of friendlies. Midweek friendlies were a rarity before last season, but in 18/19 they became quite common.


So it wasn't smaller divisions they really wanted. They just wanted more local matches. Not the same thing.

So these cup games will take the place of those friendlies for many clubs as most of these games are quite local. Better to have something meaningful than a friendly, even if it doesn't mean much.


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The 10 group winners will join the 22 premier division sides in the knock out part of the competition


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Clubs did indeed vote for smaller divisions and then last season, when they had spare midweeks, they set about arranging lots of friendlies. Midweek friendlies were a rarity before last season, but in 18/19 they became quite common.


So it wasn't smaller divisions they really wanted. They just wanted more local matches. Not the same thing.

So these cup games will take the place of those friendlies for many clubs as most of these games are quite local. Better to have something meaningful than a friendly, even if it doesn't mean much.


Very interesting.....makes sense.


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I seem to remember the South Midlands League used this points system in their league cup in the dim & distant past.


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Was it 3 years ago the clubs voted for smaller divisions as midweek attendances were awful? Then they come up with this nonsense, 2 more league games would be a lot better than this crap, I’d imagine most of the clubs crowds will be so low they’ll end up losing money.
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Did they vote for less games? 57/60 entering this suggests that a lot of them didn't, and the 20-team divisions were pushed at them to help 1-2-4-8 happen.
My only real issue with this format - as clearly the clubs want it - is that with only one side going through from a five team group there are going to be a lot of dead games. Maybe the ten runners-up should play an additional round against the Premier Division sides who were promoted last year and the sides who finished lowest without being relegated.


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My only real issue with this format - as clearly the clubs want it - is that with only one side going through from a five team group there are going to be a lot of dead games. Maybe the ten runners-up should play an additional round against the Premier Division sides who were promoted last year and the sides who finished lowest without being relegated.

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What a good idea.

Too late for this season,but definitely worth a discussion for next.


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Now I never expected the fixture secretary to go through every teams fixtures, but surely he could have politely requested any team with sensible suggestions. I'm sure Felixstowe and Maldon would have pointed out that as we're already playing each other on the 21st and 28th September, please don't put us together on the midweek in between, sadly they didn't ask. What sort of crowd will turn up for this? Not even a local game, speaking to our supporters, they will only go to these Mickey Mouse squad members cup games if season ticket holders are allowed in for nothing, so I fully expect this to be a loss making competition for most of the clubs involved.

21/9 Maldon V Felixstowe. League
24/9 Maldon V Felixstowe Mickey Mouse squad members cup
28/9 Felixstowe V Maldon. F.A. Trophy


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As the isthmian league fixture secretary didn't notice that cheshunt and Cray had 2 games on August 24, I think you're a bit hopeful. And possibly a bit naive to think he's going to look at the games either side of 165 league cup ties. Can the clubs not mutually agree to move the game?
I do note that maldon have entered the Tolleshunt D’Arcy Memorial Cup , so clearly the club like a midweek cup game


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So the clubs were moaning about lack of midweek fixtures, they’ve certainly appear to have given this thing the big thumbs down. Felixstowe switched one game to a Saturday when both clubs were knocked out of the FA Cup, now Coggeshall have given up midweek home advantage and asked if they could get this competition out of the way by switching their game against Felixstowe to our place this Saturday.
I think when the club’s said they wanted more midweek fixtures, I assume they meant “meaningful” fixtures and put the divisions back to 22.


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Is it just me, or are the league tables for the Velocity Trophy a closely guarded secret? I can't find them anywhere.



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Dingo
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Its not just you.

I've only found them in a programme at one of the matches.

Maybe its a ploy to get more people through the gate.


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Very nice,well done.

(Attendances may crash now though !)


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derekn
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 I'm glad you like it! Group 2 table has changed after it was pointed out that I'd missed a game.


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From the Isthmian site today,regarding tables (+subs):

''Because this season's format was a trial, we decided not to go to the expense of having the website altered to take into account the additional point for a shootout win and the increased number of substitutes.
We were advised that this would be tricky as well as costly, and it was agreed with our clubs that we wouldn't go to that expense until we decided whether to continue with the new format.
Tables have, instead, been emailed to clubs after each round of fixtures....''


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From the Isthmian site today,regarding tables (+subs):

''Because this season's format was a trial, we decided not to go to the expense of having the website altered to take into account the additional point for a shootout win and the increased number of substitutes.
We were advised that this would be tricky as well as costly, and it was agreed with our clubs that we wouldn't go to that expense until we decided whether to continue with the new format.
Tables have, instead, been emailed to clubs after each round of fixtures....''


Would've thought they could just upload a Word doc or PDF of the emailed tables to the website after each round of fixtures.


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Yes.

I don't have any website making knowledge at all,so I'm on thin ice here.
I cant say whether it would be ''tricky as well as costly''.

But I still found their reasoning,shall we say ''flimsy''.


derekn
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From the Isthmian site today,regarding tables (+subs):

''Because this season's format was a trial, we decided not to go to the expense of having the website altered to take into account the additional point for a shootout win and the increased number of substitutes.
We were advised that this would be tricky as well as costly, and it was agreed with our clubs that we wouldn't go to that expense until we decided whether to continue with the new format.
Tables have, instead, been emailed to clubs after each round of fixtures....''


Would've thought they could just upload a Word doc or PDF of the emailed tables to the website after each round of fixtures.


Just like I'm doing! It really isn't difficult.


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Indeed!
In their news articles on the website I think they can insert attachments but, if they can't do that, they can (and do) insert links into them. So, at the very least, they could easily create a news article and put a link in it to the document, which would sit alongside all the other documents they have in the downloads section of the website.


derekn
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Knockout Stage draw has been made. First round matches are as follows:

Brightlingsea Regent v Winners of Group 3
Corinthian-Casuals v Winners of Group 4
East Thurrock United v Bishop's Stortford
Enfield Town v Winners of Group 8
Folkestone Invicta v Bognor Regis Town
Haringey Borough v Winners of Group 1
Horsham v Winners of Group 10
Kingstonian v Merstham
Lewes v Winners of Group 9
Margate v Carshalton Athletic
Potters Bar Town v Winners of Group 6
Wingate & Finchley v Bowers & Pitsea
Winners of Group 2 v Cheshunt
Winners of Group 5 v Hornchurch
Winners of Group 7 v Leatherhead
Worthing v Cray Wanderers


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Knockout Stage draw has been made. First round matches are as follows:

Brightlingsea Regent v Ware
Corinthian-Casuals v Winners of Group 4
East Thurrock United v Bishop's Stortford
Enfield Town v Winners of Group 8
Folkestone Invicta v Bognor Regis Town
Haringey Borough v Maldon & Tiptree
Horsham v Winners of Group 10
Kingstonian v Merstham
Lewes v Sevenoaks Town
Margate v Carshalton Athletic
Potters Bar Town v Winners of Group 6
Wingate & Finchley v Bowers & Pitsea
Barking v Cheshunt
Bracknell Town v Hornchurch
Ramsgate v Leatherhead
Worthing v Cray Wanderers


Groups after 19/11 and updated KO draw.
Maldon & Tiptree won Group 1.
Barking won Group 2.
Ware won Group 3.
Bracknell Town won group 5.
Ramsgate won Group 7.
Sevenoaks Town won Group 9.


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derekn
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Knockout Stage draw has been made. First round matches are as follows:

Brightlingsea Regent v Histon
Corinthian-Casuals v Winners of Group 4
East Thurrock United v Bishop's Stortford
Enfield Town v Winners of Group 8
Folkestone Invicta v Bognor Regis Town
Haringey Borough v Maldon & Tiptree
Horsham v Winners of Group 10
Kingstonian v Merstham
Lewes v Sevenoaks Town
Margate v Carshalton Athletic
Potters Bar Town v Winners of Group 6
Wingate & Finchley v Bowers & Pitsea
Barking v Cheshunt
Bracknell Town v Hornchurch
Ramsgate v Leatherhead
Worthing v Cray Wanderers


Groups after 19/11 and updated KO draw.
Maldon & Tiptree won Group 1.
Barking won Group 2.
Ware won Group 3, but then had 3 points deducted for fielding an ineligible player in their game against Harlow Town, so Histon finish first.
Bracknell Town won group 5.
Ramsgate won Group 7.
Sevenoaks Town won Group 9.


 
 


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