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Yatesman
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It’ll be interesting to see what impact, the utter carnage of Corbyn’s Andrew Neil interview, has on the polling in a few days time. #blownit



Why couldn’t he just apologise to the Jewish community ffsMad


He should have apologised.

It would have have cost him nothing.

Instead he comes across as cold, intransigent and shifty.

He doesn't come across as likeable in the slightest and getting huffy with the interviewer isn't a good look.


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It’ll be interesting to see what impact, the utter carnage of Corbyn’s Andrew Neil interview, has on the polling in a few days time. #blownit



Why couldn’t he just apologise to the Jewish community ffsMad


He should have apologised.

It would have have cost him nothing.

Instead he comes across as cold, intransigent and shifty.

He doesn't come across as likeable in the slightest and getting huffy with the interviewer isn't a good look.



Did he not apologise, because he thinks that anti Zionism isn’t antisemitism and he’s a total anti Zionist. The trouble is, a lot of anti Zionists use exactly the same tropes and just replace anti Semitic terminology with anti Zionist. This is the stubbornness of the far left, that they cannot see how much damage this has done. Do I believe that antisemitism gets more air time and more sympathy than Islamophobia? Yes! Has it got anything to do with the colour of most of those people’s skins? Almost certainly! Neither is right and I cannot wait for the Labour Party to get rid of Corbyn as leader and replace him with someone less abhorrent. As for Boris & some of the Tories being racist. They are equally as abhorrent and hopefully they’ll disappear as well. Not soon enough though!



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It’ll be interesting to see what impact, the utter carnage of Corbyn’s Andrew Neil interview, has on the polling in a few days time. #blownit



Why couldn’t he just apologise to the Jewish community ffsMad


He should have apologised.

It would have have cost him nothing.

Instead he comes across as cold, intransigent and shifty.

He doesn't come across as likeable in the slightest and getting huffy with the interviewer isn't a good look.

If he doesn't think there is anything to apologise for he should say so. The problem in this interview was that he didn't say there was nothing to apologise for. He just ignored the question. Repeatedly. Appearing cold, intransigent and shifty is about right.


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How come the Daily Mail and the other Tory papers never actually ask the important question; "Who are the anti-semites in the Labour Party?" They just go on and on trying to destroy Corbyn's reputation. The anti-semites are (I suspect) mainly a few Muslims who are Labour Party activists, but no-one wants to admit this out of political correctness. The more the Tory press keep going on about it, the more likely Muslims will be to vote Labour out of the hope that a Corbyn-led Labour government will take a tough line with Israel over Palestine.

I usually vote Labour and will probably do so again in this election, but I'm actually pro-Israel on the basis that it is a secular democracy that has the right to defend itself against its neighbours.


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How come the Daily Mail and the other Tory papers never actually ask the important question; "Who are the anti-semites in the Labour Party?" They just go on and on trying to destroy Corbyn's reputation. The anti-semites are (I suspect) mainly a few Muslims who are Labour Party activists, but no-one wants to admit this out of political correctness. The more the Tory press keep going on about it, the more likely Muslims will be to vote Labour out of the hope that a Corbyn-led Labour government will take a tough line with Israel over Palestine.

I usually vote Labour and will probably do so again in this election, but I'm actually pro-Israel on the basis that it is a secular democracy that has the right to defend itself against its neighbours.


Guardian Headline: “Corbyn struggles to rebuff antisemitism accusations”

‘I’ headline: “Corbyn refuses to say sorry”


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Why no condemnation of the Daily mails anti semetic attacks on ED Millibands father in the 2015 election. He was already dead and unable to defend himself!



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The more the Tory press keep going on about it, the more likely Muslims will be to vote Labour out of the hope that a Corbyn-led Labour government will take a tough line with Israel over Palestine.


Given the statement of the Muslim Council of Britain yesterday, neglected largely by the media (I wonder why) condemning the racism of the Tories I suspect most Muslims will already be voting Labour.

Does anyone know what Corbyn has done that is anti-semitic? And I don't mean being critical of the Israeli state.


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It’ll be interesting to see what impact, the utter carnage of Corbyn’s Andrew Neil interview, has on the polling in a few days time. #blownit


Meanwhile, it is being suggest Johnson is going opt out of his interview with Neil.

#chicken as always.


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It’ll be interesting to see what impact, the utter carnage of Corbyn’s Andrew Neil interview, has on the polling in a few days time. #blownit


Meanwhile, it is being suggest Johnson is going opt out of his interview with Neil.

#chicken as always.


I’d be sorely tempted to have ‘the flu’ and be unable to rearrange.

I’ve always liked the phrase; “better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.”


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The more the Tory press keep going on about it, the more likely Muslims will be to vote Labour out of the hope that a Corbyn-led Labour government will take a tough line with Israel over Palestine.


Given the statement of the Muslim Council of Britain yesterday, neglected largely by the media (I wonder why) condemning the racism of the Tories I suspect most Muslims will already be voting Labour.

Does anyone know what Corbyn has done that is anti-semitic? And I don't mean being critical of the Israeli state.


Corbyn says 'Epstein' wrong......You know that's classic Anti-Semitism don't you?

Maybe the Muslim vote is why Labour is anti-Semetic.

It's quite possible many Labour supporters think knocking Israel , and by association, Jews and creating a hostile environment for Jews is good for keeping the Muslim vote on board.

Anyway, who knows?

One thing is for sure Labour MP's, Councillors, Activists and supporters have been actively working against Jewish members /groups/interests for the last so many years.

Personally, Labour's obsession with foreign issues ( support for the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah, Chavez )and their neglect of their UK constituency is why I can't be bothered with Labour these days.

As for the Tories,
They at least seem to act more quickly and decisively when their people are out of order and have a major inquiry planned to cover ALL prejudicial actions.


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I dont think Corbyn pronouncing Epsteins name incorrectly if he did is proof of him being anti semitic

Meanwhile Are these the actions of a true anti semitic person over the years?

April. 1977 Corbyn organised the defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemitism
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !

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It's quite possible many Labour supporters think knocking Israel , and by association, Jews and creating a hostile environment for Jews is good for keeping the Muslim vote on board.


Or perhaps they object to a state which treats a section of its population far worse than South Africa ever treated blacks under their version of apartheid.


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As for the Tories,
They at least seem to act more quickly and decisively when their people are out of order and have a major inquiry planned to cover ALL prejudicial actions.


That is truly hilarious.
"
Boris Johnson backtracks on inquiry into Islamophobia in the Conservative Party"

“Johnson promised he would hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia when he stood to become Conservative Party leader. And on Tuesday, Michael Gove said this inquiry would start by the end of the year. But now Johnson has shamelessly decided to drop the probe into Islamophobia in his party, even though polls show a majority of Conservative members hold racist and Islamophobic views.

https://labour.org.uk/press/boris-johnson-backtracks-on-inquiry-into-islamophobia-in-the-conservative-party-afzal-khan/


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Isn't this your part of the world, Yatesman?

Does his pal Rees-Mogg ever pop in for a pint in your local?

https://www.thenational.scot/...-fined-racist-abuse/


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Isn't this your part of the world, Yatesman?

Does his pal Rees-Mogg ever pop in for a pint in your local?

https://www.thenational.scot/...-fined-racist-abuse/


Are you honestly suggesting that anyone living near that vile person must share his opinions......LoL!

Desperate times for lefty's lol!


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It's quite possible many Labour supporters think knocking Israel , and by association, Jews and creating a hostile environment for Jews is good for keeping the Muslim vote on board.


Or perhaps they object to a state which treats a section of its population far worse than South Africa ever treated blacks under their version of apartheid.



That's a bit unfair on Israel. what about all these Arabs who live in places like Tel Aviv without being discriminated against? In fact they actually have it easier than Jewish Israeli citizens, as they are exempted from compulsory service in the Israeli army (although they can still join voluntarily if they wish.)


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Isn't this your part of the world, Yatesman?

Does his pal Rees-Mogg ever pop in for a pint in your local?

https://www.thenational.scot/...-fined-racist-abuse/


Are you honestly suggesting that anyone living near that vile person must share his opinions......LoL!

Desperate times for lefty's lol!


Eh?

I was commenting on the associates of the Leader of the House.

Maybe that is one of the reasons why Reees-Mogg appears to be under house arrest for the duration.


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I think the charge of anti-Semitism is against the Labour Party.
The charge against Corbyn is lack of leadership on the issue since taking the helm.........
And pronouncing Epstein's name wrong!


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The charge against Corbyn is lack of leadership on the issue since taking the helm..../reply]

He should just shelve everything till after the election, like the Tories.

Those Scottish Tory candidates are a lovely lot, Yatesman.

Flora Scarabello Glasgow Central - “alleged use of anti-Muslim language”.

Ryan Houghton,Aberdeen North, "alleged anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and homophobic tweets"


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The charge against Corbyn is lack of leadership on the issue since taking the helm..../reply]

He should just shelve everything till after the election, like the Tories.

Those Scottish Tory candidates are a lovely lot, Yatesman.

Flora Scarabello Glasgow Central - “alleged use of anti-Muslim language”.

Ryan Houghton,Aberdeen North, "alleged anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and homophobic tweets"


Are you excusing Labour's innate anti-Semitism because there are a couple of rogue Tories?

Two wrongs don't make a right!

I condemn racism in all it's forms and wherever it rears it's ugly head. It's a pity Labour is fundamentally unable to do that.

Meanwhile, Labour lies about selling the NHS is not getting through to the voters..
Modern voters are too sophisticated to believe Labour's disingenuous false claims about the NHS being up for sale based on a report that reports no such thing.

Labour's Brexit policy not sitting well with Labour Leavers neither.

Labour are in a mess. No-one believes they can go back to the EU and negotiate a 'great' Leave deal ( and then campaign against it!)

For those who take notice of these things the latest YouGov poll show Labour winning 211 seats max !


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For those who take notice of these things the latest YouGov poll show Labour winning 211 seats max !


Supposedly by the people that correctly predicted the 2017 GE (although I can’t remember anyone predicting that outcome);

Conservative: 359
Labour: 211
Lib Dem’s: 13
SNP: 43

Conservative Majority of 68.

For balance it should be noted that ComRes have the lead down to 7% (from 10%).


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For those who take notice of these things the latest YouGov poll show Labour winning 211 seats max !


Supposedly by the people that correctly predicted the 2017 GE (although I can’t remember anyone predicting that outcome);

Conservative: 359
Labour: 211
Lib Dem’s: 13
SNP: 43

Conservative Majority of 68.

For balance it should be noted that ComRes have the lead down to 7% (from 10%).


Of course, it's not a prediction of what will happen on December 12.

Pollsters can't predict.

They are telling you what they think might have happened had the Election been held at the time they did the polling.


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The YouuGov poll was taken 19-26 November and showed an 11% Labour lead. It states that if the Tory lead fell to 7% there would be no overall majority.

CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDEM: 13% (-)
BREX: 4% (-1)

via
@ICMResearch
, 22 - 25 Nov

CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LIBDEM: 13% (-2)
BREX: 5% (-)
GREEN: 2% (-)

Carried out by
@SavantaComRes
(25 Nov - 26 Nov)

It's all to play for.



Much is being made of how YouGov got it right in 2017.

Odd then, that on the day before the election they forecast an increased Tory majority.


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This is the man the Tories want you to crown as Prime Minister.

Unbelievable

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/...e7e2e4b0d50f329bd4af

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