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007Dale
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Just listen to Johnson and watch his body language when asked if he will submit to interview from Neil.

Heís utterly appalling. UK has two weeks to come to its senses.

https://twitter.com/...132411834548224?s=21


When the opposition is Corbyn, everyone in this country needs to hope and pray the Tories win.



Which specific Labour policies do you disagree with? That would probably make your point better rather than just 'I hate Corbyn' who you have presumably never met nor interacted with but just read about.


I feel that Iíve posted on here enough to give a general understanding of what I disagree with, but happy to provide an omnibus edition:

1. Brexit policy
2. Broadband nationalisation / free BB - hugely mis-costed and will destroy the telecoms industry. Will ultimately lead to poorer service.
3. Taxation policy (as discussed at length over a number of posts recently)
4. Nationalisation of multiple utilities
5. IndyRef2 (not in the first 2 years) should be not in this generation as promised during IndyRef1
6. WASPI - unfunded, expensive
7. Scrapping tuition fees
8. Cut working week

Not exhaustive, but a smattering of the things I donít support.


PaulC
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I had been looking forward to the Channel4 debate since it was first announced, no more than that this was my one absolute must see debate of the electoral campaign.

I expected to hear seven party leaders but only five political parties consider the climate emergency sufficiently important to have participated, leaders of two others opted out.

A leader who is not prepared to justify his party policy on the existential issue facing the world isn't fit to be sitting in number 10 Downing Street.

Then again the reality is that the people in this country who need action to safeguard the future the most are those who are not old enough to vote on 12th December.

At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that there are five political parties standing who accept that we have an emergency to deal with.

Further proof tonight it is imperative to stop Johnson and deny the Conservative Party a platform to confiscate the future of our young.


I doubt you have drawn the correct conclusion.

The leaders were there because they are desperate for air time.
C4 is desperate for relevance.

Why would Johnson go on to a programme hosted by the most extremely biased ,biased and polarised national news organisation in the country?

The boss of C4 , Alex Mahon, called him a liar recently. Not surprising he turned her down...........Nothing like a woman scorned , eh? The ice stunt was just a puerile hissy fit.


Johnson *is* a liar. Thatís a fact.

Whatís your objection to truth being told!


northstandexile
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Surely folk should be voting for a government that would make their life better.

I am not sure how a Boris Conservative government would make life better for a load of low earning people who are struggling to make ends meet.

A conservative prime minister and their policies for the last nine years has made their life worse.

I canít understand why they would vote for a Ďget Brexit doneí when in fact Brexit would not be done for years and their living standards would continue to fall.

Just madness, but I suppose they have been brainwashed by headlines in the media put there by vested interests in order for the rich to get even richer.


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PaulC
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This time itís Nick Ferrari at LBC helping out his old mate Johnson.

Whst a corrupt pro-Tory media we have.

https://twitter.com/...350094895304704?s=21


jon b
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NOTHING is more important than Getting Brexit Done


I assume by "getting Brexit done" you mean the UK formally leaving the EU. If current opinion polls are accurate then a Johnson government should ensure we cease to be a member state of the EU by the end of January 2020. However, we'll still face protracted and frustrating negotiators over our future trading relationship with the EU. Negotiations that will take many months, probably years.

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jon b
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NOTHING is more important than Getting Brexit Done


I hope you're right.

My fear is that we're taking our eye off the real threat to our way of life, Climate Change. If matters go pear shaped our children, grandchildren etc could be pretty contemptuous of our current navel gazing deck chair re-arranging.
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PaulC
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NOTHING is more important than Getting Brexit Done


I hope you're right.

My fear is that we're taking our eye off the real threat to our way of life, Climate Change. If matters go pear shaped our children, grandchildren etc could be pretty contemptuous of our current navel gazing deck chair re-arranging.
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Boris Johnsonís dad has it under control.


007Dale
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One to send the lefties into a spin:

The Daily Mail is buying the i newspaper.

Although claims it will keep it politically neutral.


jon b
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One to send the lefties into a spin:

The Daily Mail is buying the i newspaper.


Into a spin? No.

If they change the political stance they lose the current readership. I doubt whether they're that daft. These days if I buy a national paper it's the "I" because it's not stupidly committed to either left or right. If it's political stance changes I'll save myself some money.

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Yatesman
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NOTHING is more important than Getting Brexit Done


I assume by "getting Brexit done" you mean the UK formally leaving the EU. If current opinion polls are accurate then a Johnson government should ensure we cease to be a member state of the EU by the end of January 2020. However, we'll still face protracted and frustrating negotiators over our future trading relationship with the EU. Negotiations that will take many months, probably years.

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Yes that is what I mean.

We should be well along that road but the Remainer Parliament has halted that.

We all know there are further negotiations pending in order to create the post Brexit trading arrangement that all parties agree is the right way to proceed.

We need a Government that has a working majority so that it can deliver on it's programme in an orderly and timely fashion.

That's why a Tory majority is desirable at this election.


Yatesman
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I hope you're right.

My fear is that we're taking our eye off the real threat to our way of life, Climate Change. If matters go pear shaped our children, grandchildren etc could be pretty contemptuous of our current navel gazing deck chair re-arranging.
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No political party is taking Climate Change seriously, whether they stand around in a TV studio gasbagging or not.

If they wrre they would be proposing shrinking the economy, promoting localism not globalism, banning plastic packaging, petrol vehicles and embarking on a comprehensive programme to make homes and businesses more energy efficient.

Foreign policy would be all about promoting protection for the rain forests in the Amazon Basin, Central Africa and Borneo and the temperate forests of Northern Europe/Asia and Canada and other threatened eco systems and on human birth control across the planet.

The Party leaders are too political to be true environmentalists.


Yatesman
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Nov 29, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I had been looking forward to the Channel4 debate since it was first announced, no more than that this was my one absolute must see debate of the electoral campaign.

I expected to hear seven party leaders but only five political parties consider the climate emergency sufficiently important to have participated, leaders of two others opted out.

A leader who is not prepared to justify his party policy on the existential issue facing the world isn't fit to be sitting in number 10 Downing Street.

Then again the reality is that the people in this country who need action to safeguard the future the most are those who are not old enough to vote on 12th December.

At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that there are five political parties standing who accept that we have an emergency to deal with.

Further proof tonight it is imperative to stop Johnson and deny the Conservative Party a platform to confiscate the future of our young.


I doubt you have drawn the correct conclusion.

The leaders were there because they are desperate for air time.
C4 is desperate for relevance.

Why would Johnson go on to a programme hosted by the most extremely biased ,biased and polarised national news organisation in the country?

The boss of C4 , Alex Mahon, called him a liar recently. Not surprising he turned her down...........Nothing like a woman scorned , eh? The ice stunt was just a puerile hissy fit.


Johnson *is* a liar. Thatís a fact.

Whatís your objection to truth being told!


No objection. Every adult human being on the planet has lied.


Would you go to a party if the host was going around calling you a liar and moralising against you?


PaulC
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Nov 29, 2019, 2:47 PM

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And yet another poll shows the squeeze on the Tories.

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDEM: 13% (-1)
BREX: 4% (+1)
GRN: 3% (+1)

via @PanelbaseMD, 27 - 28 Nov
Chgs. w/ 22 Nov


Meanwhile more weasel words from a weasel Prime Minister. Remember, he doesnít even know how many children he has fathered.

https://twitter.com/...352300935663616?s=21


jon b
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Meanwhile in other news, it appears that the implications of equalities legislation has yet to filter through to some of the more backward areas of the kingdom.

Jo Swinson in a TV interview in Cheltenham was asked how she combined her role as party leader with being a parent.

Not a question I recall being posed to any of the male party leaders, even those admitting how many children they have.

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Yatesman
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Nov 29, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Meanwhile in other news, it appears that the implications of equalities legislation has yet to filter through to some of the more backward areas of the kingdom.

Jo Swinson in a TV interview in Cheltenham was asked how she combined her role as party leader with being a parent.

Not a question I recall being posed to any of the male party leaders, even those admitting how many children they have.

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Reasonable question.........a question men should also be asked because most men are also parents, in case you didn't realise, and they too have to balance a career or a job with their fatherly duties, they too lose out on time with their familiess due to excessive work commitments.


Yatesman
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Isn't this your part of the world, Yatesman?

Does his pal Rees-Mogg ever pop in for a pint in your local?

https://www.thenational.scot/...-fined-racist-abuse/


It seems the scourge of anti-Semitism is rife in other parts of Scotland too..

The SNP have withdrawn their candidate for Kirkaldy and Cowdenbeath because it turns out he's a racist scumbag.

By your reckoning that makes Sturgeon a racist scumbag.


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leohoenig
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If only leaving the EU was going to generate the money mentioned on the side of a bus, then perhaps I would not be reading this?
https://www.theguardian.com/...tests-and-treatments



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jon b
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Meanwhile in other news, it appears that the implications of equalities legislation has yet to filter through to some of the more backward areas of the kingdom.

Jo Swinson in a TV interview in Cheltenham was asked how she combined her role as party leader with being a parent.

Not a question I recall being posed to any of the male party leaders, even those admitting how many children they have.

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Reasonable question.........a question men should also be asked because most men are also parents, in case you didn't realise, and they too have to balance a career or a job with their fatherly duties, they too lose out on time with their familiess due to excessive work commitments.


I think you need urgently to have a chat with HR Cool

That might have been a reasonable question in 1919 but in 2019 it's the sort of question likely to cost you a shed load of money at an industrial tribunal. There are some questions that have gone the way of the dodo.

Time has moved on. Working mothers/fathers don't have to explain their childcare arrangements to get a job.

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Yatesman
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If only leaving the EU was going to generate the money mentioned on the side of a bus, then perhaps I would not be reading this?
https://www.theguardian.com/...tests-and-treatments


The trouble with the NHS is is that however much money you give it it will never be enough and it will never be used efficiently..

Just the nature of the beast!


PaulC
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By your reckoning that makes Sturgeon a racist scumbag.


How do you work that one out?


Yatesman
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By your reckoning that makes Sturgeon a racist scumbag.


How do you work that one out?


Because you have a tendency to imply guilt by association.

It's a lefty trait that when taken to its extreme paints all Leavers as xenophobes and all Tory voters as uncaring and all working class Leavers as thickos.

It's why the left are guilty of building the Berlin Wall, the Cultural Revolution in China and the mass ethnic cleansing under Stalin and currently happening in China...............and let's not forget the current Anti-Semitism happening amongst too many Labour and SNP activists.


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By your reckoning that makes Sturgeon a racist scumbag.


How do you work that one out?


Because you have a tendency to imply guilt by association.


Silly rant omitted.

Where have I done that with any other party leader?

The difference with your hero Johnson is that his racism is there for all to see. No need to associate him to the racism of other Tory candidates.


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If only leaving the EU was going to generate the money mentioned on the side of a bus, then perhaps I would not be reading this?
https://www.theguardian.com/...tests-and-treatments


The trouble with the NHS is is that however much money you give it it will never be enough and it will never be used efficiently..

Just the nature of the beast!


That is a somewhat feeble reading of the runes. Perhaps the Conservative Central Office has not sent out a communicae on this one?

In case you do not remember, Brexit was sold with a big bus giving incorrect figures about the amount of the UK contribution to the budget and where the money could be better spent at home - with the NHS being the headline cause.

Since then, the Conservative team has gone out of its way to push up its claims of inproving the health service, with new hospitals being planned (even if they are already there) and new nurses to be recruited (many of which are already there).

So a reduction in these general tests should just not be there. The NHS is not to be a new case for austerity but should be reaping the whirlwind of the newly available finances once your heroes have completed the Brexit process in the first month of the New year* (*calendar or Chinese still to be defined).

There will be a benefit to the costing of the health service by not doing tests whie conditions are curable - they then spend less on curing. And of course if you have private medical insurance, you can get your tests done there - because then the NHS will take over the burden of treatment anyway.

One has to develop an incedible sense of single issue blindness (which unnfortunately cannot be treated) before you can believe that the NHS will be safe in Conservative hands.



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Good to see on last night's debate Richard Tice saying with brexit the main priority will be to build more boats for our harbours and take back control of our waters.

That's what brexits all about isn't it ?Looking after a few fisherman where 29 per cent of our quotas are owned by 5 per cent of the richest families from the UK..Incidentally an industry that brings in to the UK as much money as a leading Sausage Roll maker.

Meanwhile millions of UK people lose the right to work, travel freely, set up business and retire in 27 EU countries.



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !

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PaulC
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Welll there's a surprise from the BBC.

Andrew Marr will interview Johnson tomorrow after the the latter chickened out of the Neil interview.

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